Sports 24/7 Tourney: Make a future MLB Team.
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME said 03/28, 12:23 PM
1st argument list, argue in 2nd and 3rd.
Starters: (in no particular batting order)
LF: Ryan Braun, Brewers
RF: Justin Upton, D-Backs
CF: Adam Jones, Orioles
3B: Alex Gordon, Royals
1B: Prince Fielder, Brewers
2B: Brian Robers, Orioles
SS: Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies
C: Jeff Clement, Mariners
P: Matt Garza, Rays
P: Mike Pelfrey, Mets
P: Clay Buchholz, Red Sox
P: Joba Chamberlain, Yankees
P: Ian Kennedy, Yankees
P: Micah Owings, D-Backs
Reserve IF:
Ryan Zimmerman, 3B, Nats
Yunel Escobar, SS, Braves
Chase Headley, 3B, Padres
Matt Wieters, C, Orioles
Dustin Pedroia, 2B, Red Sox
Ryan Garko, 1B, Indians
Reserve OF:
Jacoby Ellsbury, CF, Red Sox
Cameron Maybin, CF, Marlins
Nick Markakis, RF, Orioles
Andrew McCutcheon, CF, Pirates
Jay Bruce, CF, Reds
Austin Jackson, OF, Yankees
Travis Buck, OF, A's
Colby Rasmus, OF, Cards
dudeman. said 03/28, 04:08 PM
Starters:
LF - Ryan Braun (MIL)
RF - Justin Upton (ARI)
CF - Jacoby Ellsbury (BOS)*
3B - Yunel Escobar (ATL)*
1B - Prince Fielder (MIL)
2B - Brian Roberts (BAL)
SS - Troy Tulowitzki (COL)
C - Daric Barton (OAK)*
P - Joba Chamberlain (NYY)
P - Ian Kennedy (NYY)
P - Tim Lincecum (SF)*
P - Scott Kazmir (TB)*
P - Clay Buchholz (BOS)
P - Jon Lester (BOS)*
Reserve IF:
Ryan Garko (CLE)
Dustin Pedroia (BOS)
Ryan Zimmerman (WAS)
Chase Headley (SD)
J.J. Hardy (MIL)*
Ruben Gotay (NYM)*
Reserve OF:
Carlos Gomez (MIN)*
Nick Markakis (BAL)
Adam Jones (BAL)
Jeremy Hermida (FLA)*
Matt Kemp (LA)*
Cameron Maybin (FLA)
Travis Buck (OAK)
Lastings Milledge (WAS)*
* = difference
this should be good...LET'S THROWDOWWWWWWN!!!
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME said 03/28, 05:05 PM
wow, i was up 2-0, i blinked and you're up 5-2 now !!!
first off, yunel escobar of the braves is a SS, not a 3rd baseman. Chipper Jones is the Braves 3rd baseman.
i also wouldn't necessarily put Ellsbury over Adam Jones to be the better future OF star.
Jones is a 5 tool player and has now become a major centerpiece for the Orioles (he was a centerpiece of the Mariners future before coming to Charm City) and Ellsbury is suspect defensively to the point that it's being suggested he and Coco Crisp split time because Crisp is so much better in the field. You could also argue that Jones is faster than Ellsbury too.
I'm also not too sure that you can put Barton over Clement at catcher. Clement set the national record with 75 home runs and in AAA last year he hit 20 home runs and slugged .497. Also, Clement was ranked the 3rd best young prospect in the Majors, while Barton wasn't in the top 20.
dudeman. said 03/28, 05:32 PM
Proof Escobar is a 3B:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7938
Adam Jones vs. Jacoby Ellsbury:
Ellsbury is considered the future of the Red Sox. Jones isn't the centerpiece for the Orioles (Roberts is). Ellsbury hits for a high average, and is speedier than Jones. He had 5 more doubles and stole 7 more bases in 2007.
Daric Barton vs. Jeff Clement
AAA is not the majors. Barton has proven he can play at the major league-level, and Clement hasn't.
In 2007, Barton played 18 games, and Clement 9. I will do some math, and figure out the projected stats between Barton and Clement for 18 games:
HR: 4 vs. 4 (Tie)
RBI: 8 vs. 6 (Barton)
Walks: 10 vs. 6 (Barton)
K: 11 vs. 6 (Clement 'cause he has less)
Barton wins 2-1-1.
Ed Reed Fan:4 TD'S IN ONE GAME said 03/28, 05:49 PM
okay, doesn't seem like i'm gonna get more votes here so arguing is pointless since you've gotten 6 straight votes.
but, Adam Jones will become a better player than Ellsbury and there's no way that in time Ellsbury will be shown as faster than Jones.
Also, your stat comparison above isn't that convincing. Both haven't played enough to make an honest comparison just yet in the terms that you're talking about. The #'s are very close anyway.
In sports illustrated the magazine and si.com's website Escobar from the Braves is listed as a SS so either they're wrong or your source is wrong...
dudeman. said 03/28, 05:54 PM
c'mon dude! i blew a 4-vote lead once...it came back to end at 8-8
Ellsbury hits for a better average, and he has a brighter future. People think of him as the future of the Red Sox, that means that they take him over Buchholz and Pedroia.
Barton is underrated, and I believe that he can be a player with pop, and a pretty good glove.
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Comments (20)
LOL @ the major loophole
I predict major ownage if this is handled right.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 03/28/08, 01:25 PM
Report Offensive CommentP.S.
I hope the other person plays within the spirit of the Throwdown.
P.P.S.
I'm glad you didn't stick with a regular roster limit......more slots to fill = more of a chance for differences = more angles to argue.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 03/28/08, 01:36 PM
Report Offensive CommentP.P.P.S.
I'd have liked to have seen more pitchers too.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 03/28/08, 01:36 PM
Report Offensive CommentNo Lincecum or Cain?
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 03/28/08, 02:36 PM
Report Offensive CommentNo Hamels or Kazmir?
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 03/28/08, 02:39 PM
Report Offensive CommentPHIL HUGHES ... like the jackson pick though
Girardi is the man 07 | 03/28/08, 02:41 PM
Report Offensive CommentAre you building a team for 10 years from now? Or 5? 2? 15?
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 03/28/08, 02:45 PM
Report Offensive CommentThere should be a time frame...now it's just open....future MLB team, 5 years, 10, 15?
Jimmer69 IS Darth Caedus! | 03/28/08, 03:32 PM
Report Offensive CommentOops, Willis covered it..how did I not see that? I'm old...missed it :-)
Jimmer69 IS Darth Caedus! | 03/28/08, 03:32 PM
Report Offensive Comment5 years...we covered that by fanmail...
dudeman. | 03/28/08, 04:08 PM
Report Offensive CommentSteven Pearce, he's going to be big. IF the Pirates ever bring him up.
rmustud19 | 03/28/08, 04:10 PM
Report Offensive CommentCatchers Barton and Clement both look good, although Daric Barton is supposed to be turned into a firstbaseman.
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 03/28/08, 04:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentIs there an age limit? Brian Roberts is 30??
How about Hanley Ramirez, he's only 24
[The] Coach | 03/28/08, 04:24 PM
Report Offensive CommentAlso for future cathers Jarrod Saltalamacchia looks like he is going to be a special player
[The] Coach | 03/28/08, 04:26 PM
Report Offensive CommentGood point Coach....I was thinking about Rios because he'll still be in his prime in 5 years and I always get that impression that one year...KABLAM-OH!
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 03/28/08, 04:26 PM
Report Offensive Commentwell, that's cool...people who are voting needed to know though...thanks for letting us know...
Jimmer69 IS Darth Caedus! | 03/28/08, 04:27 PM
Report Offensive CommentLOL @ Jimmer
Well done sir.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 03/28/08, 04:29 PM
Report Offensive CommentI'm sorry... but Miike Pelfrey won't amount to anything. And I'm a Met fan.
Danbash | 03/28/08, 04:34 PM
Report Offensive Comment5 years - missing 2 most important players- Hanely and Wright. Both would be 29 and in their primes
PhillyFan83 | 03/28/08, 06:01 PM
Report Offensive CommentThink Hanley will know how to field his position by then?
Jimmer69 IS Darth Caedus! | 03/28/08, 10:49 PM
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