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Nice Argument Powdered Toast, but I gotta go with Mod Target here....

I'm glad. The 5yd variety sucked. I mean, when you hit someone you might roll over them and your arm/hand might touch the facemask. And you get a 5yd penalty for that? I'm glad it's gone. This is football people. Another one I can't stand: The Horse-collar tackle rule. That's stupid too. Tackling is tackling. If you can't play, sit down.

if you can't tackle someone until they've passed you, sit down.

and you wouldn't get an inadvertant FM call if the tackel already happened and bodies piling up just resulted in your hand touching the mask. That flag has never been thrown for that.

the horse collar is foul. You're basically pulling the torso back while the legs are still moving forward, which does result in injuries.

I always love it when the jackass on the other side says I've Obviously never done this or that.....dude you've obviously never been able to argue a concept without alienating people.

if you can't tackle someone until they've passed you, sit down.

Powdered Toast Man | 04/03/08, 11:42 AM
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That's the dumbest thing I've heard here on FanNation. Seriously. So if he gets passed me, I shouldn't run him down and save the touchdown? Dumb.

and you wouldn't get an inadvertant FM call if the tackel already happened and bodies piling up just resulted in your hand touching the mask. That flag has never been thrown for that.

Powdered Toast Man | 04/03/08, 11:44 AM
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No one said anything about a pile up. If I hit someone, there are variables on whats gonna happen. If I happen to touch his mask in the process of bringing him down, but not bringing him down by his mask or turning his head, they would've thrown the flag.

the horse collar is foul. You're basically pulling the torso back while the legs are still moving forward, which does result in injuries.

Powdered Toast Man | 04/03/08, 11:45 AM
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Yea, but they've been doing it for many, many years. Odds are you won't get hurt. The only reason they started calling it was because Roy hurt two name players. A name player hurting another name player will draw attention. If Roy would've done it to a 3rd stringer, they would say "Football is a violent game, and people can get hurt."

so two big name players get hurt and "odds are you won't get hurt"?

it's dirty. period. and if players do it all the time, then why is is unofficailly known as the Roy Williams rule?

if you can't play, sit down is the dumbest thing that I'VE seen on here. That's the problem. People are playing and others are resorting to cheap tactics to get by. That's what I would consider not playing.

I liked the inadvertant face mask rule. Prior to that rule a player who got his hand "caught" in the face mask but the head did not move, it was 15 yards, unfair. Sometimes a defender was able to grab the face mask and tackle, using the mask, but the head did not move enough to make it flagrant and it was no penalty. The inadvertant face mask penalty allowed for fairer penalties regarding facemasks and acted as a rightful deterent for going to the head. Now it willbe all or nothing again, and that did not work the first time around, why do we think it will work now?

so two big name players get hurt and "odds are you won't get hurt"?

Powdered Toast Man | 04/03/08, 01:28 PM
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Well, the NFL has been around a long time, chief, and they barely started getting hurt.

it's dirty. period. and if players do it all the time, then why is is unofficailly known as the Roy Williams rule?

Powdered Toast Man | 04/03/08, 01:28 PM
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I just said why. Because he hurt T.O. and McNabb. The tackle itself doesn't hurt. It's when the tackler falls on the back of the leg. But that usually doesn't happen.

if you can't play, sit down is the dumbest thing that I'VE seen on here. That's the problem. People are playing and others are resorting to cheap tactics to get by. That's what I would consider not playing.

Powdered Toast Man | 04/03/08, 01:30 PM
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It's a man's game. If you wanna shy away from contact, go play baseball. It's not cheap. I don't understand what the difference between pulling someone down by their hair and pulling them down by their shoulder pads. Only that one warrants a 15yd penalty. Retarded.

This will hurt the NFL, because think about how fast the game goes, some refs willl see a guys hand on face, and not sure whether or not it should be a no call or 15 yard penalty. Keep the 5 yard penalty for those times.

They also have changed the push out rule which never made any sense to me.

Dude on right powder toasted his own argument.

Yeah I hated the force out rule. R.I.P though I'll never miss you.