Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Terry Bradshaw
Basketball Jesus: CHAMPION! said 05/11, 11:56 PM
It's a little difficult to project Manning's final ranking among QBs, since he's in the middle of his career. There's no doubt in my mind though, that he's a better QB than the incredibly overrated Terry Bradshaw.
Bradshaw finished among the top five in the league in passing yards 2 times with two HOF receivers his entire career AND an HOF running back. Manning's finished in top five 8 times.
Bradshaw's finished among the top 5 in passing TDs 3 times. Manning's done the same 10 times, every year he's been in the league.
Manning's gone to 8 Pro Bowls, almost 3 times as many as Bradshaw (3).
There's no question Manning, statistically was a better QB.
My opponent is going to state that Manning was an awful postseason QB while Bradshaw was a great one. Here are the postseason stats over the course of both of their entire careers.
Manning: 61.8%, 21 TDs, 17 INTs, 84.4 RTG
Bradshaw: 57.2%, 30 TDs, 26 INTs, 83.0 RTG
Those postseason stats look very similar to me. Bradshaw does not have an edge over Manning in terms of postseason stats. The reason Bradshaw's got 4 rings is because there were 13 HOFers on the Steel Curtain.
Uofmrules* BS said 05/12, 12:11 AM
your right im going after his poor playoff performance. He can't win in the playoffs and is not a great clutch QB.
2000- lost in wold card he went 17 for 32 194 yards and 1 TD..not bad
2002- lost in wild card again..went 14 for 31 137 yards and oTD with 2INTs
2003- won wild card and division with good stats but failed in the coference final chocking again..went 23 for 47 237 yards and 1 TD with 4 INTs
2004- won wild card but lost division going 27 for 42 for 238 and oTD with 1INT and his longest pass was only 18 yards...
2005- lost division going 22 for 28 with 290 and 1TD..again alright
2006- FINALLY DID SOMETHING. won super bowl..but still didn't blow people away...not throwing more TDs then INTs in any of the playoff games.
2007- lost again division game going 33 for 48 with 402 and 3TDs with 2INTS...did good.
he is not the clutch QB that Bradshaw's is, and couldn't lead a team in the playoffs.
Bradshaw was the leader and was a big part of those 4 super bowls in 6 years. I don't care how many HOFs he had on defense they didn't win all 4 super bowls.
Basketball Jesus: CHAMPION! said 05/12, 07:26 AM
Based on what you wrote above, it sounds to me like Manning played well in a number of those playoff games, but the team around him didn't support him. That's been the prevailing theme throughout his entire playoff career.
The playoff stats I used above essentially show that Manning and Bradshaw played at the same exact level during the postseason, Bradshaw just came away with the wins because once again, his team was so great.
Is it Manning's fault Vanderjagt missed a potentially game tying field goal in 2006 against the Steelers?
Is it Manning's fault that last year that inside the 10 yard line two of his passes tipped off his own receivers and turned into interceptions?
Answer: No and no.
Manning's the better quarterback. Bradshaw had the better team.
Uofmrules* BS said 05/12, 10:00 AM
You fail to see my point jesus. It is his fault. In his loses, did you see how bad his stats were? He is no the great QB in the clutch that everyone thinks he is. He's made it to the conference finals twice and super bowl once. Only winning and doing well in 2006.
The QB is the captain and team leader. If he fails and doesn't do well then the team isn't going to win. What i showed was that in the teams loses in the playoffs Peyton's stats and play were the reason. in 2002 he lost and for 137 and 2INTs, you telling me he didn't chock? Well he followed that up by chocking in the conference finals throwing 4 INTS. 2004 he threw 0TDs and 1INT, with his longest pass only being 18 yards.
The one thing Terry Bradshaw has over Peyton manning his is ability to win the game no matter what his individual stats were. It didn't matter if he was playing horrible he whole game and he needed to drive the team down for a score. He did that. When it's put on Peyton's shoulders to do that it's been proven that he chocks and more time then not throws a pick.
terry Bradshaw is a championship QB no matter what his stats are and he played his greatest when it counted.
Basketball Jesus: CHAMPION! said 05/12, 01:40 PM
I'll admit that a few of Peyton's losses in the playoffs are his own fault. But that's not the case for every single loss.
You seem to ignore anything good that Manning has done in the postseason.
In 2006, against the Pats, Manning engineered the largest comeback in AFC Championship history.
In 2005, against the Broncos in the wild card round, Manning threw for 457 yards, second most in post season history.
Also, it's not like Bradshaw was infallible in the playoffs.
1973 Divisional Round v. Oakland- 12 for 25, 125 yards, 2TDs, 3 INTS, RTG 57.0
Outcome: Pittsburgh loses 33-14
1976 Conference Champ v. Oakland- 14 for 35, 176 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, RTG 44.5
Outcome: Pittsburgh loses 24-7
1977 Divisional Round v. Denver- 19 for 27, 177 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs, RTG 40.0
Outcome: Pittsburgh loses 34-21
Manning put up some stinkers in the playoffs, but Bradshaw has too. Manning's played great in a few playoff games, so has Bradshaw. Their postseason stats are almost identical.
Without Manning though, the Colts would be a borderline playoff team, and certainly would not have won a super bowl. With 13 HOFers, the Steelers still would have been a SB winning team
Uofmrules* BS said 05/13, 02:10 PM
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Comments (34)
No contest. Manning was even better in the post season. He has thrown 9 less picks which counteracts the 9 less TDs
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/12/08, 12:27 AM
Report Offensive Commentleave....your a random who knows nothing about sports...so leave
Uofmrules* BS | 05/12/08, 12:29 AM
Report Offensive Commentleave....your a random who knows nothing about sports...so leave
Uofmrules* BS | 05/12/08, 12:29 AM
You're the one saying Bradshaw is better than Manning despite the fact that Manning has more yardage, Touchdowns, actual Mvp awards not just SB ones but he does have 1.
I know nothing about sports my ****. All you do is state stuff every one knows you are th John Madden of fannation.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/12/08, 12:34 AM
Report Offensive CommentAnd with 2 minutes left Manning is a beast.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/12/08, 12:36 AM
Report Offensive Commentlol...thats all there is to say to your stupidity.
Uofmrules* BS | 05/12/08, 12:37 AM
Report Offensive Commentlol...thats all there is to say to your stupidity.
Uofmrules* BS | 05/12/08, 12:37 AM
What ran out of things to say? I think you were born feet first if you think Bradshaw is better than Manning your whole argument is that Bradshaw had a better team.
Kendrick fan#1 | 05/12/08, 12:39 AM
Report Offensive CommentVote <-----------
Why would someone try to argue that.
Jamba | 05/12/08, 12:44 AM
Report Offensive CommentTerry Bradshaw had two Hall of Fame recievers***
Know it all | 05/12/08, 01:21 AM
Report Offensive CommentThis is a joke, right?
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 05/12/08, 05:44 AM
Report Offensive CommentI mean, Bradshaw couldn't carry Manning's jock without screwing it up.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 05/12/08, 06:19 AM
Report Offensive Comment"I don't care how many HOFs he had on defense they didn't win all 4 super bowls."
Mostly, they did. With a little help from the HOFer they had on offense sans Terry.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 05/12/08, 06:21 AM
Report Offensive CommentManning and Bradshaw have almost identical playoff numbers anyways.
LIFER | 05/12/08, 06:41 AM
Report Offensive CommentAnd Uofm is just skipping over many of Manning's great playoff games. In 2003, he had 8 TDs and 0 INT through his first two playoff games. In 2004, 400+ yds, 4 TD and 1 INT.
LIFER | 05/12/08, 06:44 AM
Report Offensive Commentdumbass
mattdogg27545 | 05/12/08, 08:22 AM
Report Offensive CommentI agree.
I also agree that Joe Montana is better than Trent Dilfer, Brett Favre > Brad Johnson, Dan Marino > Gino Torretta.
I, like BJ, stand out on very shaky limbs.
Swayze Bandwagon Fan *BBF | 05/12/08, 08:32 AM
Report Offensive CommentI must say that I like the chutzpah from the right... and I like the angle taken here. What, in the end, defines what makes a quarterback great? People want to decry individual versus team effort, but in the end ALL a football player's efforts -- at ANY position -- are predicated on the notion that one is only as good and successful as the teammate beside him. Quarterback, cerebral though it may be, is no exception...
Sure, mere statistics may show one player being identical to the next, or they may even indicate one player as better than another. Yet what are statistics if they are not backed up with victories. It is all good and well to throw for many yards and touchdowns... but the truest mark of greatness, one which has stood the test of time in football, is the mark of a champion. Bradshaw, for all his flaws, has that aura to a greater extent than Peyton...
I, for one, am going to give UofM the benefit of the doubt and allow at least one more argument before casting a vote... after all, I initially viewed as just another ridiculous throwdown, an effort by Basketball Jesus to try to garner an easy win... and I won't be the one to allow him to merely have that easy win, especially since the argumentation so far doesn't necessarily warrant it...
Bigalke | 05/12/08, 08:34 AM
Report Offensive CommentWas this an offshoot of the "Bradshaw is not a top 10 QB" TD?
I like topics like these, when everyone suddenly KNOWS something to be true.
Porkins | 05/12/08, 08:57 AM
Report Offensive CommentWas this an offshoot of the "Bradshaw is not a top 10 QB" TD?
I like topics like these, when everyone suddenly KNOWS something to be true.
Porkins *BS/CB | 05/12/08, 08:57 AM
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yes u of m laughed at peyton over bradshaw.. so b.j challenged him.. it wasnt just him going for an easy win... all though if argued correctly this would not be an easy win...
b-dawk | 05/12/08, 09:29 AM
Report Offensive CommentLet me start by pointing out that I am a huge Vol fan who dislikes manning:
1. When you play the colts on your madden franchise you get them 3 and out but it took 2 minutes off the clock b/c he changes the play 6 times, come on ea its a video game dosent have to be that real
2. he stinks in the clutch
: when he looked across the sideline and seen spurrier he developed sever autism
: 4 picks to 1 guy?
that being said:
vote right: the most important thing a qb can do is win
Frank Pentangelli RIP Carlin | 05/12/08, 09:33 AM
Report Offensive CommentThere is only one statistic that mattered to Terry Bradshaw. Unlike many athletes today, who look to pad their personal stats for bonus bucks, Terry cared about one thing and one thing only. Winning!
He used his team and all the weapons a great QB should to accomplish that. Harris may have wanted the ball more, as I'm certain Swan did. Terry spread it out and he was the guy CALLING the plays! Terry had the respect of his team and they played their hearts out for him. He led by example and he could throw. He was the consumate footballer!
He had a great team sure, and so did a lot of his competitors on the field. Fact is, Terry beat those teams too. Especially when it mattered the most. He simply found a way to win. In my book, that defines a great Champion.
Step back guys...4 SUPER BOWLS!
There are far to many variable to argue these two guys statistically. Era...contracts, field of competions etc...
Terry was a winner and the Cowboy teams he beat for 2 Super Bowls were no pushovers either! Thats all that mattered.
Vote right!-----------H---------<>extra point.
Baun-ded | 05/12/08, 09:50 AM
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