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  • May 13, 2008 01:11 PM ET

Sports fans arent able to think logically because other factors cloud judgement

Frank Pentangelli (105-246-20) vs THUNDERBIRD (10-10-1)
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I say there is no baseball hitter with 25 or more hrs in a season since 1990 not using illegal performance enhancers. All NFL/NCAA FB players are using illegal performance enhancers. And I am the idiot?

Baseball 1st, football 2nd, outside factors clouding judgement 3rd

Lets see. They arent testing. There is no backlash. I can take the stuff, hit 25 hrs per year and make 40 million $ or I can not take them and play in the minors while those who do take them make $40 million. Hhhmmmm, what will I do?

Im Greg Maddux. Im 32 years old. I can go ahead and take this stuff. Not lose anyting off my pitches. I will recieve an extreme increase in my recovery time. I will be far less likely to have an injury because rational quantities of HGH skyrocket the bodies natural healing ability. Hhhmmmm, na I think I will give up a potential 100 million in earning potential and not take them.

Seriously, every player in baseball is using illegal performance enhancing drugs to some extent. Be logical, think about it.

Football in argument 2


Now i certainly do not doubt that there are people who use them, not at all..... but to say EVERY SINGLE baseball player uses them is very innaccurate.

For one there is the big steroid scandal. I guarantee that that scandal when first hitting big time, especially the Mitchell Report, scared a bunch of players who may have been doing it to stop.

Now to your point of no player with 25 or more HRs in a season is doing drugs... People have hit 25 HR seasons since 1884 (112 games compared to 162 today) So its not astronomical feat to hit 25 HRs in todays game.

There has never even been any question to A Rods hitting ability or drug use, you are qualified to accuse him of it?


Do you think baseball would really want to "catch" ARod? Thats what I thought. The MItchell report is 1 branch of distribution. The average High School has 35 Drug Dealers. Reckon you could do about 35 Mitchell reports? Think Logically

Football:

I knew 2 guys from High School who got football scholarships. Both Div2. Both did roids. It didnt change in College. Would Merriman and Harrison have been on them if they thought they would get caught? No. If they thought they wouldnt get caught then what are the chances of getting caught? Low.

The NFL does 1 random test per year. When its Peytons turn you dont reckon they fill him in do you? The other option would be a bit bad for business dont you think? Harrison probably didnt listen to his voicemail.

I guess sometime around 1980 GOD decided he would bless these future football players with freakish ability. We now have 270lb DE's who run faster 40's than most WR's did in 1985. HHmmmm?

Last factor, the NFL nor NCAA would never go after their athletes. If they took HGH from the NFL there wouldnt be a starter un injured by week 3.


The NFL doe snot do 1 random test per year. Thats ludicrous.

And no, God did not just bless everyone 20 years ago. In early football days you didnt have to be one of the best athletes in the country to be a pro in the sport. As the sport has evolved, so have the athletes. Now instead of playing a game, then going out drinking and partying and smoking (or going to a second job) like all the old timers did, these athletes train and workout.

Now players devote every second of their days to getting their body into optimal shape for the game. thats why it is so much different now a days. The NFL HAS gone after people for testing positive! So that statement is just factually incorrect.


They go after them once there is a positive test. They work real hard to not get that positive test though. Do your homework, the NFL has 1 random test per year. You simply dont look like Peyton, Terrell, or Marion eating tofu and working out.

What I am saying is a fact. Its not really even an argument. My question is why do some of you refuse to see it for what it is?

1. I guess we look to sports figures to be heros as we cant really do it with Military personell or Politicians these days. If we accept what I am saying as fact (which it is) then I guess that taints are heros.

2. We love to hate those such as Barry and Roger. If we accept that everyone does it then we cant hate them anymore. Maybe that is why.

Fact is, there really is no logical argument against the following statements:

1. All MLB players are doing/ have done steroids

2. All NFL and NCAA FB players are doing steroids

Why do we argue against them? The only argument anyone has is Frank your an idiot? That dosent erase the truth of what I am saying.

Take off the blind folds, accept it.


ok, for one, i know lots of people who look to Military personnel as heroes... i do. Im also military so i hear it a lto as well. If you dont view a military person who serves for you and keeps you from getting drafted and fighting their wars a hero, then i dont know what else to tell you... i feel sorry for you.

As far as loving to hate barry and roger... many people loved roger clemens, i think more than hated him anyways. Many people liked mark mcguire.

The fact is there are many logical argument against the statement that every single MLB, NFL, NCAA player uses roids. One being, that the numbers have always been around, just more recently because the evolution of the sport.

There are more HRs and TDs because thats what wins games and brings ratings and brings fans. People work their **** off to be the specimen that they are. TO has been in numerour workout magazines and he does an excruciating workout and takes supplements.... not roids.

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May 13, 2008  01:38 PM ET
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Before 1919, balls bouncing over the fence were considered home runs. And most ball parks had fences so far back that the majority of the "home runs" credited were for in the park home runs. The first 25+ season, the guy that hit them hit 25 of his 27 AT HOME, because of the embarrassingly short fence. The first TRUE 25+ season was by Babe Ruth in 1919. Between then and 1961, the record was constantly reset by Babe Ruth. Nobody else. So yes, ONE GUY was able to do it. Not the entire league like they do today.

May 13, 2008  01:45 PM ET
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"There has never even been any question to A Rods hitting ability or drug use, you are qualified to accuse him of it?"

He's been been accused.

May 13, 2008  01:47 PM ET
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I can't help but feel I've had this conversation with you before Frank.

May 13, 2008  01:49 PM ET
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61 was Roger Marris. Babe Ruth last year was 1935. AND he was alone in doing it with less games to play as well which made it tougher.

May 13, 2008  01:50 PM ET
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there was a report about it that was almost immedietly revoked... heard anything since then?

May 13, 2008  01:52 PM ET
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I say FN opens an investigation to prove Frank is intentionally trying to lose throwdowns and only occasionally wins by accident.

May 13, 2008  01:53 PM ET
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I want some logical arguments to this, my arguments are very logical

May 13, 2008  01:57 PM ET
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my opponent has 1 argument:

The NFL doe snot do 1 random test per year. Thats ludicrous.

the NFL does 1 random drug test per yr, that is correct.

May 13, 2008  02:00 PM ET
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I say FN opens an investigation to prove Frank is intentionally trying to lose throwdowns and only occasionally wins by accident.
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May 13, 2008  02:10 PM ET
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This is a simple showing of what is so wrong with Fannation. Frank, who I NEVER agree with, is the only one that has made any sort of legitimate argument. But because people disagree with his idea, they ignore his argument. Then they vote for the guy that made no legitimate argument at all. And they don't vote because they think the guy is better, they vote for the guy because they disagree with Frank's point.

In this argument, which is a debate, the point goes to Frank. Because his arguments are better, regardless of whether I agree with him or not.

May 13, 2008  02:17 PM ET
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i actually agree with frank and the other argument isn't really an argument...true story I have a brother who is playing ball for a major university....well guess what....

May 13, 2008  02:19 PM ET
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seriously as a heart attack, if you went in right now, told all ncaa and nfl football players they were going to be tested every 3 days before practice and there will be no roids, there wont be player left by the end of camp

May 13, 2008  02:22 PM ET
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there still not 1 logical argument to indicate that i am wrong, why? because there isnt one

May 13, 2008  02:25 PM ET
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I totally agree with Frank. I think every pro athlete is doing anything and everything they can to keep their jobs and set records. Unfortunately, this includes the use of banned substances. I agree that most fans have blinders on regarding this issue.

May 13, 2008  02:33 PM ET
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I am a sports fan. I think logically. Nothing clouds my judgement. Thunderbird has made decent arguments in opposition you bats. ------------------------->

May 13, 2008  02:34 PM ET
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still, not 1 logical argument against me

May 13, 2008  02:34 PM ET
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LadyVolsFan, get a profile picture so I can invite you as a friend and then you can join the Womens group.

May 13, 2008  02:34 PM ET
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Most fans have blinders and I'm sure there are quite a few players attempting to get the edge, but Frank is stating that "there is no baseball hitter with 25 or more hrs in a season since 1990 not using illegal performance enhancers. All NFL/NCAA FB players are using illegal performance enhancers" as FACT, which is ludicrous. The ironic thing is that the TD title references logical thought.

May 13, 2008  02:35 PM ET
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still not 1 logical argument against me

 
May 13, 2008  02:38 PM ET
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just because you disagree doesnt make the comment illogical.

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