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Should Tobbaco compaines be allowed to sponser more then one sporting event?


There was a law passed after the civil suits against Big Tobbaco that says they cannot sponer more then one sporting event. Hence why it's not the Winston cup anymore. My question is, why shouldn't they be allowed to.

First, tobbaco is one of the most talked about, studied, and demonized things in this country. Everyone knows the downside of dipping and smoking. So why is this industry penalized more then say an alcohol company. As a for instance there are at least four cars in NASCAR endorsed by a alcohol product. These products are just as bad in the long wrong, almost as many people die every year from alcohol related deaths then tobacco related deaths. Yet it is acceptable for them to sponser cars, and events, in fact as many as they choose too. So if tobacco is legal (over 18) why can't they sponser more events/cars/fighters/ whatever. Why is there any legislation regarding what they can sponser. Heck even Matt Serra wore a gunsforsale.com sponsership in the Octagon, during a championship event. We all know the downside of guns, so why can all these other products that are "bad" for you market and sponser but tobacco cannot. It's a terrible double standard.


Oh please, the deaths per year for "alcohol related" things is estimated to be about 100,000. Cigarette smoking ALONE causes nearly a half a million deaths each year. In fact, add up deaths each year from HIV/AIDS, illegal drugs, traffic accidents, suicides and muder in this country, and you STILL don't reach the number of deaths attributed to tobacco usage. A simple number: 20% of all deaths in this country are attributed to tobacco use. One in every 5 deaths.

Its not a double standard. Its a simple recognition of the truth.

A simple way to put it. Drinking a glass of wine doesn't hurt your health. Owning a gun doesn't hurt your health. Smoking one cigarette damages your lungs, heart and brain.

End of discussion. I will forfeit the remaining two points, because there is simply nothing else to be said on this subject.


Actually your wrong on your point about alcohol. It does in fact cause damage, and I understand what yoru saying about moderation, and if a person smoked one cig per day I am sure it would have about the same long term effects as taking one shot per day. folks get exposed to a ton of carginogens from exhaust and internal air pollution. In fact it would not surprise me in the least to see some point down the road where Tobacco has been made a convienant scape goat for other "harmful" polltuion we breath in.

Also you basically said nothing to back why they shouldn't be allowed to sponser things. It is America It is a free market society, so a legal product should eb allwoed to advertise wherever they want. Especially when your talking about a product that this country was founded on.

Yup that's right without tobacco, there would be no internet, there would be no sports in America, there would be no America.

Tobacco money founded and sustained this country. Let's embrace the history of tobacco in this country, not try and deny its very exsistance.


Actually, you are wrong. But God knows you'll never admit. Research has proven that a glass of red wine a day is actually beneficial to your health. It does not harm you. So it does not do damage. Get your facts straight before typing things concerning subjects you don't understand. It should be embarrassing to be so wrong so much of the time, but it would appear that you are actually proud of it.

And I don't need to say anything about why they should be allowed to sponsor things, because you were so absolutely wrong in everything you said to open the discussion.

In the end, each sport has the right to not allow things that kill you by using them PROPERLY to advertise. To say otherwise ignores your premise that it is a FREE MARKET SOCIETY. Yep, your exact words. The sports have every bit as much right to ban the advertisement as the product makers have to sell and advertise it.


Ahhhhhhhhhhh

BUT GRUDEN THE SPORTS THEMSELVES DID NOT BAN THEM.

OUR GOVERNMENT DID. AND THAT SIR IS JUST PLAIN WRONG.


Many sports had banned tobacco advertising long before the government got involved. That's because advertising smoking in a sport just seemed stupid. Still does.

And tobacco is still a major sponsor at professional rodeos and Professional Bullriding Association events. The thing that the government banned was television advertising of tobacco. So since the major sports have TV deals, they can't have tobacco advertisements. Of course, this makes sense, since advertising smoking in association with an athletic event leads children to believe that smoking and athetics go together.

Sometimes, its for the better good of mankind for government to get involved. And when stupid promoters put money ahead of health, well that's just why I call them stupid. So if they won't do what's right and healthy, the government must step in.

I don't always agree with what the government does, but I agree with this, the same as I agree with not allowing porn sites, firearms, prostitution houses, or strip joints to advertise. Its just better that way.

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DAMN YOU!

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Sorry, but this argument needed to be nipped in the bud. Comparing smoking to owning a gun is just stupid.

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nope, they are both products that can kill. CAN . I can buy tobacco and choose not to smoke it, just like I can buy a gun and choose not to shoot it.

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I can buy rum and choose not to mix it with coke.

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You can use alcohol and guns in a way that doesn't cause harm to you or anyone else. This is not the case with cigarettes.

That said, I agree that there is a double standard (especially with beer).

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These companies are just like Mastercard and Liberty Mutual. They have the right to advertise as much as they want.

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the simple fact is that its GOVERNMENT

if it were fair alcohol would be as illegal as any other illegal drug, however its a huge source of tax revenue, for example its riverbend week in chattanooga tn, 300k attendance per night and zztop tonight, the city/state makes zillions on alcohol and i can drive like a mad man tonight and there wont be a cop in sight b/c arresting people after riverbend is bad for business

now tobacco has a hitch, its still legal b/c the huge tax boost and (as chris rock says) its owned by rich white people, there is an act to fight it publicly b/c its funded by health care companies who tobacco cost a fortune yearly

if alcohol can sponsor all it wants so should tobacco, take it from me a dipper, smoker, and drunk

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Prodigy, I agree with you, but you just argued that MLB players shouldn't be allowed to dip/chew while playing, but you have my vote in this one, because tobacco helped to make this country strong as the first cash crop, and it is a PERSONAL choice, so I don't see why the companies shouldn't be allowed to sponsor anything, honestly I think the anti-tobacco companies advertise tobacco more than the tobacco companies.

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Dupont created AGENT ORANGE one of the most caustic substances known to man. It has been proved to cause cancer, diabites, high blod pressure, etc etc etc whole studies have been done on the effects to tropps stationed in Vietnam during it's use, and YET you can see Dupont all the time sponsering cars, and bikes, and a bucnh more. So it's ok for Dupont to kill people, but not tobacco. The best part is tobacco use is a choice (granted te second hand part isn't if you smoke indoors) but it is a choice. Being exposed to Agent Orange was not a choice.

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outlaw, someone had to argue that they shouldnt be allowed to right?

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hey prodigy, here anytime gruden will get about 7 votes and if you look in the play by play you wont recognize any of the names

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didnt he get booted or something before for cheating I seem to remember him coming back as the moderator lied, or something like that. what was the deal with that?

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where did the little baby go?

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he said he was gonna forfeit his next arguments so i bet he will let them time out leaving this thing open for liek four days.

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bucmaster huh? gee i wonder if he is a bucs fan

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NO, I was not booted from Fannation. Ever. Was never accused of cheating. I change my name to Moderator Lied, but did not "come back". Same account as always. And I decided not to forfeit my arguments for that exact same reason. I'll just use them to address your inaccuracies.

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LOL, just read your Dupont argument. I'm still waiting to see that Agent Orange car out in NASCAR. Another pointless argument that has nothing to do with the topic. If there was an Agent Orange car, you'd have a point.

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I tend to agree with Prodigy, this being a capitalist society and all. I have one question: is the fact that tobacco isn't allowed to sponsor more sports a government ruling or a ruling by the individual sports' hierarchies?

BTW Prodigy, your DuPont argument won't hold water. Agent Orange is only one thing that DuPont made, they make much that is beneficial to society. And when the true nature of Agent Orange became known its use and production were halted. Last time I checked they were still producing cigarettes.

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Its a government ruling. NASCAR would let the local heroin deal advertise, as long as they came up with the $18 million.

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I do know that Frank seems terribly upset that I beat him in TDs. But then I look at the Play by Play, and recognize all the names that voted. So where does he get off saying I'll get 7 votes real quick by people you never heard of?

And no Prodigy, I'm not Bucmaster. Bucmaster has done nearly 70 TDs since joining, and is a well known member of this site.

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