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If Joe Namath is in the Hall of Fame, Ken Stabler should be there also.

Biakaba is Tugg Speedman said 06/23, 11:16 AM
Joe Namath is the the most overrated player in the HOF. The only reason he is there is because of ego and one Super Bowl that led to the AFL/NFL merger. He was Broadway Joe and I don't think the NFL could deny his flash and the arrogant, non-conformist attitude that begot players like Jim McMahon.

Ken Stabler played in more meaningful games throughout his Raider career than Namath did with the Jets. He was on the field for such memorable moments as "The Sea of Hands", the single greatest play in NFL history in my opinion, the "Ghost to the Post", and the ridiculous "Holy Roller."

Going through my NFL Films videos and seeing the precision with which the Snake threw the football and watching the re-air of the Baltimore v. Raider divisional playoff game, it kept bringing me back to the fact he isn't in the HOF. That is hard for me to swallow knowing that Namath is there. Bring your argument, I'm ready.

Goodell: Still Smokin said 06/23, 11:32 AM
While I agree that Namath shouldnt be in the HOF.....That doesnt mean that Stabler should automaticly get a free pass. The Hall is waterd down enough already with the like's of Namath and a few others that I wont mention.

But bringing in even MORE guys that are only quasi HOFer's would NOT correct the situation by any means what so ever. The only thing that would do is open the flood gates for those who are barley worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as the Hall of Fame.

What about guys who acutally deserve the HOF?? Like Ray Guy......Like Andre Reed.....Like Derrick Thomas.....Like Cris Carter.

Should they all just sit by and watch Stabler get inducted cause Namath was inducted?? Over the course of history, both past and present HOF voters have seen fit NOT to include Stabler. For what ever reasons they have, they must have pretty good ones cause I dont even know the last time Stabler was even close. NOt that Stabler wasnt a great QB, cause he was. He was a good QB during his day. But if you let him in, your gonna have to let OTHER QB's that were good in thier era. Like Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, Drew Bledsoe and so on....Then where would the HOF be at?

Biakaba is Tugg Speedman said 06/23, 11:56 AM
You can't honestly put Stabler on the same level as Boomer Esiason, that is comical. While I agree that the players you mentioned should be in HOF, I do think Stabler is way underrated. If you take out the lean years with Houston and New Orleans, Stablers career with the Raiders looks like this:

19,078 yds, 150 TD, 143 INT---1974 NFL MVP----1977 Super Bowl Champion.

Stabler and the Raiders could have had much more success in the 70's had it not been for the Steelers dynasty, the Dolphins perfect season and the Orange Crush. They won the AFC West in 1970, 1972-1976, played in the AFC Championship game in '71,'73,'74, '76, '78.

Joe Namath simply played in Super Bowl III with his gurantee and finger raise. The Jets didn't sniff the playoffs after 1969. Namath's career stats look like this: 27,663 yds, 179 TD, 220 INT. If you look at Stablers entire career he threw for 27,938 yds, 194 TD and 222 INt. which is still better than than Namath.

The stats don't exactly jump off the page at you, but Stabler is a legend and legends belong in the HOF. He played in a different era where playing QB was more difficult. His numbers aren't gaudy, but they are respectable.

Goodell: Still Smokin said 06/23, 12:13 PM
"You can't honestly put Stabler on the same level as Boomer Esiason, that is comical"

Really??? Check out the numbers...

Stabler - 19,078 yds, 150 TD, 143 INT

Boomer - 37,920 yds, 247 TD's, 184 INTs

Now if you look at NUMBERS only like you suggested, Boomer is the FAR SUPERIOR QB of the 2. Boomer has almost 100 more TD's and almost doubled the yards total. Now even with almost 20,000 more passing yards, he only has 41 more INTs.

Now of Boomer and Stabler...Boomer is more HOF worthy than Stabler. Its comical that you didnt even know the kind of numbers that Boomer put up. Oh yeah, he has a few SB apperance's in the mix also. Only losing to some guy named Joe somthing or other..

You said..."Stabler and the Raiders could have had much more success in the 70's had it not been for the Steelers dynasty, the Dolphins perfect season and the Orange Crush."

Dang those Pesky Steelers of the 70's huh? So by your count, with the Phins, Steelers and Bronco's....Stabler was on the 4th best AFC team of the 70's, righ??? I think Stabler was a good QB, I really do. I also think that Namath should be taken out of the HOF....But Stabler should not get in until after Boomer gets in

Biakaba is Tugg Speedman said 06/23, 12:41 PM
How many people do you see rocking Esiason jerseys? I live in the west and I see a ton of people sporting throwback Stabler jerseys. I'm not going off of numbers solely, I'm talking about a legend. Esiason is no legend and played in a different era. Stabler's career passing yardage was 27,938 yds. If you look at two HOF QB's from the same era his stats are comprable:
Staubach threw for 22,700 yards and 153 TDs
Griese threw for 25,092 yards and 192 TDs
Again, different eras indicate different numbers. Should we hold these two out because Esiason had more yards and more TD passes? No. These guys are legends and so is Ken Stabler. If you look at the number of championship game appearances and clutch performances, Stabler belongs in the HOF. Had it not been for the Steelers and their obvious greatness, we might be discussing the dynasty of the 70's Raiders.

I'm not a Raiders fan, but a fan of football. Ken Stabler was in the top 5 QB's of the 70's. He was cool, calm and collective. Ken Stabler doesn't need HOF voters to justify his career, but, I do believe he belongs there for vindication of a stellar pro career.

Goodell: Still Smokin said 06/23, 02:01 PM
"Had it not been for the Steelers and their obvious greatness, we might be discussing the dynasty of the 70's Raiders."

Thats the most generic comment Ive ever heard before....

If it wasnt for the 49ers, Boomer would have 2 or 3 SB rings.

Who cares how many people rock Stabler Jersey's in Oakland? If that was in consideration for induction, it might matter. But when does popularity count when we are talking about he HOF?? You want to compare Stabler to Stabauch and Griese, but you cant.

Here's what Tom Landry had to say about Staubach...."possibly the best combination of a passer, an athlete and a leader to ever play in the NFL."

Those are the types of things that get you into the HOF....Not comming in second or third place to the Steelers and the Phins.

Anyways....Just because the HOF committe made a error in letting in Namath, doesnt mean the error will be corrected by letting in Stabler. But Boomer Esiason is a better QB and should get in the HOF Before Stabler..

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If Joe Namath is in the Hall of Fame, Ken Stabler should be there also.

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