The Detroit Tigers will not make the playoffs this year
GaretJax is Richard Rahl said 07/02, 02:56 PM
The Detroit Tigers will not make the playoffs this year. They will not win the division, and the AL central will not get the wild card, so by not winning the division, they will miss teh playoffs. They will not be able to pass both the Twins and the White Sox, as both those teams have better pitching, and suprisingly, both teams have scored more runs. Plus, both teams have a closer, the Tigers do not, and both the Twins and Sox can make plays in teh field, while the Tigers cannot.
The Sox and the Twins are both better all around clubs, and the Tigers will not be able to pas both of them to win teh Central. I am tired of how sportswriters are now saying they wil waltz on by both teh Twins and the Sox. Yes teh Tigers are hot, but the Twins just winning 10 in a row, and the Sox current 6 game winning streak don't count for anything to the Tigers winning? The Tigers have yet to show they can pitch consistantly over any streatch of time. The SOx and Twins have shown they can.
Dawgee said 07/02, 03:32 PM
Many statements in your opening argument are wrong.
"They will not be able to pass both the Twins and the White Sox, as both those teams have better pitching, and suprisingly, both teams have scored more runs"
The Chicago White Sox scored six more runs than the Tigers and the Twins scored four more than the Tigers. Wow, big difference. The only reason why the Tigers are lower is because they were shut out many times early in the season.
"Plus, both teams have a closer, the Tigers do not"
Looks like you did you research . . . yeah right. The Tigers have Todd Jones who has one blown save in 16 oppurtunities and has the highest save percentage out of him, Bobby Jenks and Joe Nathan
"Yes teh Tigers are hot, but the Twins just winning 10 in a row"
It is a coinsidince how the Tigers won two games after that streak ended against the Twins . . .
The Tigers are 8-2 in their last 10, best in the division.
"The Tigers have yet to show they can pitch consistantly over any streatch of time."
Detroit has only given up more than four runs seven times in the last 20 games, four of those games have been wins.
The Tigers have pitched well lately and have hitting.
GaretJax is Richard Rahl said 07/02, 05:04 PM
So you seriously think Todd Jones has performed better than Joe Nathan or Jenks. The Tigers are now 7-3 over their last 10, Twins lead the division at 8-2. Before today, they were tied at 8-2, so tied for best in division, not outright lead.
The Twins won teh series with teh Tigers, winning 7-0 today, so there goes the theory they still don't get shut out. The Tigers pitching staff has a worse ERA than the Twins or SOx, they are worse in fielding than both, and they still score fewer runs than both. Detroit gave up over 4 runs every game against the Twins. Every game. They only had those great stats because guess what, they were playing against the National league.
Dawgee said 07/02, 08:52 PM
For this season, yes, Todd Jones has been a better closer than Nathan and Jenks.
Who really cares what Jones's ERA is? He could have an ERA of 50.00 but if he still had 15 saves out of 16 opportunities, i would still be better than Nathan's two blown saves or Jenks's three.
"The Twins won teh series with teh Tigers, winning 7-0 today, so there goes the theory they still don't get shut out"
I never said that, I said that they got shut out early in the season. It is one game, they got shut out one game in a long time. It doesn't really matter. That was the first time in 30 games they have been shut out.
The Tigers pitching may not be fantastic but it has been doing well lately. Their pitching usually does just well enough to win the game, nothing more. That happens most of the time laely and I can't see anything bad about that, eve if it has risen up the ERA.
"Detroit gave up over 4 runs every game against the Twins"
Really? Not according to what it said on TV or what it said on ESPN. Come back to me on that.
At the same time the Tigers were playing the NL, so were Chicago and Minnesota who didn't do as well . . .
GaretJax is Richard Rahl said 07/03, 09:25 AM
Wow. That is 2 times in a row you ended the argument with a false statement. Your first argument, you said Detriot had the best record in the division in teh last 10 games at 8-2. Detroit is tied for the 3rd best record in the division over the last 10 at 7-3, behind the Twins and Sox, who are both 8-2. Then, you ended with neither the Sox or Twins did as well in interleague play as the Tigers. Gee, the Twins had the best interleague play record in the majors at 14-4, but I guess they didn't do as well as the Tigers...They did BETTER. Over the last 15 games, thh Twins are 13-2, Tigers 11-4. The Twins just won 2 of 3 from teh Tigers, and the Sox swept the Indians, so teh Tigers just lost a game to the Twins and 2 to the Sox over the last 3 days. Not a way to win the division, is it.
Between the Tigers, Sox, and Twins, the Tigers have the lowest scoring offense, the worse defense both effort wise and errors, and the worst pitching staff in ERA and in runs allowed total. Yes, the scoring is close, but in the other categories they are way behind. And if you seriously believe that Todd Jones is a better closer this year than Joe Nathan, you should be chacked into an asylum.
Dawgee said 07/03, 11:57 AM
It my first argument, the Tigers were 8-2 in their last ten at that time - sorry I'm not a future teller.
So this time around, you are pinpointing to one series and basically saying that the Minnesota-Detroit series is going to decide who makes the playoffs? It is one damn series . . . it isn't deciding anything. The Tigers finally lost a series . . .
The Tigers have an easier schedule from here and on, that should help them win games.
"And if you seriously believe that Todd Jones is a better closer this year than Joe Nathan, you should be chacked into an asylum."
I could say the same to you, I learned how to spell "the" in 1st grade and here you are, still trying to get it right.
A closer's job is to save games, right? Not keep your ERA the lowest you can get it . . .
Well, Jones has one blown saves in 16 opportunities and Nathan has two blown saves in 25 opportunites. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Jones has a better save percentage. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to comprehend this.
The Tigers had a team ERA under 4.00 in June and they had 32 home runs during that time aslo, they are on a hot streak.
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Comments (21)
GaretJax, it is spelled "the" not teh . . .
Dawgee | 07/02/08, 03:33 PM
Report Offensive Commentvote to dawgee nice opening argument
lakers#1 says ROLL TIDE! | 07/02/08, 03:48 PM
Report Offensive CommentI don't think Detroit passes CHicago, but maybe Minnesota. Even then, though, I think they'll fall short in the WC race
TenRingsSTL | 07/02/08, 04:14 PM
Report Offensive Commentvote <------
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 07/02/08, 04:31 PM
Report Offensive CommentTodd Jones? hahaha the guy has an almost 5 ERA....with no where near teh amount of saves that Jenks or Nathan have, which also post ERA in the 1's....
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 07/02/08, 04:35 PM
Report Offensive CommentThey need to catch up to the BoSox or Ray in the WC race, not to mention other teams. They need to win the division, and that is not happening.
GaretJax is Richard Rahl | 07/02/08, 06:00 PM
Report Offensive Comment"The Chicago White Sox scored six more runs than the Tigers"
And have allowed 86 FEWER runs. More than a run per game. Detroit's pitching isn't anywhere CLOSE to Chicago's.
"The only reason why the Tigers are lower is because they were shut out many times early in the season. "
Is it still early in the season, or have you not seen todays score? ;-)
"The Tigers are 8-2 in their last 10, best in the division. "
Actually 7-3 now. Same as the White Sox and Royals. 1 worse than Minny. The entire division has been playing well of late, the the exception of the Injuns.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/02/08, 06:48 PM
Report Offensive CommentAnd before todays game, the 8-2 ,ark wa tied with the Twins, so that best in division mark didn't net them anything on teh Twins, and only 1 on the Sox. Now, they lost a game to the Twins.
GaretJax is Richard Rahl | 07/02/08, 07:18 PM
Report Offensive CommentIT IS SPELLED "THE"
Dawgee | 07/02/08, 08:52 PM
Report Offensive CommentYea. You fail garetjax. Learn how to spell. Learn how to argue.
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Howard Hehrer | 07/02/08, 09:08 PM
Report Offensive Comment"For this season, yes, Todd Jones has been a better closer than Nathan and Jenks. "
Wow. Just wow.
I'd challenge you to a TD on that, but I'd get accused of going for an easy win. It's THAT ridiculous of a statement. Who cares what his ERA is? You kidding me? YOU better care if you are expecting the Tigers to make a move.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/03/08, 12:16 AM
Report Offensive CommentBTW, Chicago won again tonight, moving the Tigers another game back.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/03/08, 12:17 AM
Report Offensive Comment""Detroit gave up over 4 runs every game against the Twins"
Really? Not according to what it said on TV or what it said on ESPN. Come back to me on that. "
Ummmm...Minny scored 4, 6, and 7 runs in the series, I don't think I'd be gloating on this one.
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 07/03/08, 12:22 AM
Report Offensive CommentITS KNOW IT ALL COWBOYS GUY.
THE MAN KNOWS EVERYTHING, FOLKS!
we are so lucky to have him on fannation!
vote right!
FAVREistheman | 07/03/08, 03:01 AM
Report Offensive CommentThat is stupid, Farve is the man. Don't vote right just because someone you dislike voted left. That is one of teh things ruining fannation.
GaretJax is Richard Rahl | 07/03/08, 09:26 AM
Report Offensive CommentLEARN TO SPELL "THE"!
Dawgee | 07/03/08, 11:45 AM
Report Offensive CommentLEARN TO SPELL "THE"!
Dawgee | 07/03/08, 11:45 AM
Report Offensive CommentWow, GaretJax, I have never seen a more pathetic argument in my time on the site.
ERA is an overrated stat, if you get the job done, why does it matter.
It is spelled "The" . . .
The Tigers will not catch up but Darren's arguments are so much better that it isn't even close
Detroit Steel | 07/03/08, 12:03 PM
Report Offensive Commentlol
#1 Chicago Fan is back! | 07/03/08, 12:12 PM
Report Offensive CommentYes, Jones has a better save percentage. Does thn mean a closer who goes 1 for 1 in save opportunities is a better closer than someone who goes 45 for 46? No. The number of saves plays a part of how good the closer is, as well, and closer is important in more than just saves, when the game is tied in extra innings, the closer is also used, and in those situations, the ER does make a difference.
GaretJax is Richard Rahl | 07/03/08, 03:12 PM
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