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  • July 07, 2008 10:09 AM ET

Forrest won that fight.

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I have been reading a ton of, well let me just call it what it is, crap about how Forrest did not win that fight. I say he did. He won three rounds of that fight and one round was probably a 10-8 round. Here is how the judges scored it:

Adalaide Byrd who scored it 48-46, gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2 and 3 with 2 as 10-8

Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46 with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8

Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.

Do I think Forrest won in that convincing of a manner? No, however Rampage had too much ring rust, and Forrest had too good a gameplan. I mean face it Rampage under estimated Forrest. Plain and simple, while Forrest trained under the guidance of maybe the best active coach in the game right now, Randy Couture. Their strategy worked to a tee, and you could tell Rampage sat for a little too long. In my mind Rampage will beat Forrest the next time they fight, however in this one Forrest won it, Rampage lost it and anything else is sour grapes. Think I am wrong? Think Rampage won, then throwdown.


Noone wont the fight. They stopped it before it was over.

There is never a winner from a decision. All MMA fights should go on in 5 minute round increments until they are over. Who would have won had it gone on? Who knows. Someone with a piece of paper outside the octagon cant tell me, Forrest, or Rampage who won. It should be decided by Submission or KO only.


To address not only your statements but the comments from below, there is a reason for time limits.

1. Deaths and serious injuries would occur, anyone else remember that old footage of Jack Johnson going like 50 rounds or something?
2. All other sprots have time limits, or at least a determination of when the "game" will end. i.e 60 minutes for FB, 27 outs for baseball.
3. It must have time limits and round limits to be sanctioned in the US.

Fights have been determined this way for what 50 plus years now? It's up to the fighters to not leave it in the hands of the judges. You still didn't adress the fact that Rampage lost this one.


1. Deaths and serious injury? I will simply copy Porkins:

You mean a sport in which the sole purpose is to beat someone else into submission carries with it some inherent physical risks? Shocking.

Well I guess so.

2. It is a cage fight. It is not comparable to other sports. There will be a determination when the fight ends: It is either when someone gives up or someone is knocked out.

Now to address the initial TD:

Forrest won that fight. Well, No he didnt actually win the fight. A group of individuals outside the octagon determined who won the fight. The fight itself was not over as neither had been defeated and both were still fighting.

How can you say Forrest won when both were still fighting? Boxing is a **** hug and kiss fest. We dont need that in MMA. We need fights to be finished.


Actuall it is comparable to other fights, kick boxing for instance, or pancrase, or sambo. However most folks are not familiar with those. In the US you have to have timelimits, period. No ifs ands or buts.

TO address your question, in football how can you say a team wins, when after all they still want to keep playing. Or how about a baseball game that ends in the 12th, boy I bet the other side still wants to continue playing. The facts are they both agreed to the terms of the fight, one of which is that if neither fighter can finish the other fighter it will go to a judges scorecard. Those are the rules, they have to abide by the decision. If Rampage didn't want a decision he should have tried to finish Forrest.


Tell me, besides MMA or no holds barred who fights in a cage? Noone. Also, Football is a TEAM sport; therefore, simply has no bearing in this TD.

Your TD was that Forrest really did beat Rampage. Now it seems in argument 3 you have resorted to "b/c the judges said Forrest won then he did". That is precisely what I am against. The fight never ended. This is our modern day gladiator sport. Did they put a time limit on "Tiger vs Maximus"???? No they didnt.

My argument is precisely this: Noone won the fight b/c it didnt finish. Bottom line. End of story.

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July 7, 2008  10:40 AM ET
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I agree with Frank, actually. I'm of the opinion that Boxing and MMA should go until someone gets creamed. Once boxing became about scoring it changed into dancing, hugging, and landing inconsequntial love taps rather than putting your opponent on the canvas.

July 7, 2008  10:42 AM ET
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I agree Forrest won the fight, but I had him losing the 1st and 4th rounds. I had it pretty much the same as hamilton. I like Forrest, but do wish he would finish his fights a little better.

July 7, 2008  10:47 AM ET
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The Ram: if fights were able to go on beyond the time limit you would probably get, in most cases, two tired fighters not putting up a good fight at all.

July 7, 2008  10:48 AM ET
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The Ram: if fights were able to go on beyond the time limit you would probably get, in most cases, two tired fighters not putting up a good fight at all.

Hyped78 | 07/07/08, 10:47 AM
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no you wouldnt, b/c they woudl no longer be playing for points, they would be playing to win right now

July 7, 2008  10:55 AM ET
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You would also get more death.

July 7, 2008  10:57 AM ET
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You would also get more death.

Moondizzle | 07/07/08, 10:55 AM
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they know the risks, its still quite mild compared to the days of the colosium (sp) so i dont really see the big deal

July 7, 2008  10:58 AM ET
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Forrest did win the fight

July 7, 2008  11:01 AM ET
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why do we even bother to argue in these things? noone reads the dang things

July 7, 2008  11:05 AM ET
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as sad as it is America is a culture of violence and we want to see somebody get hurt thats why we have Boxing and MMA for so I agree with Frank on that part as savage as it sounds

July 7, 2008  11:11 AM ET
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Frank, there was a time when Royce Gracie decided to have a fight without a time limit, against Sakuraba (Pride FC GP 2000).

The fight lasted an hour and a half. Highlights were few and far between.

Nope, sorry, time limits have to be there. Besides, time limits and rounds in MMA were one of the things that ensured the sport could become legal!

July 7, 2008  11:13 AM ET
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Nope, sorry, time limits have to be there. Besides, time limits and rounds in MMA were one of the things that ensured the sport could become legal!

Hyped78 | 07/07/08, 11:11 AM
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yea, but the fighting has changed ssssoooooooo much from the gracie days as hughes showed him, even with that it was a real fight with a true winner, answer me this: so its ok for an outside observer to determine the winner/champion in a contest? BCS anyone????

July 7, 2008  11:26 AM ET
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You mean a sport in which the sole purpose is to beat someone else into submission carries with it some inherent physical risks? Shocking.

July 7, 2008  12:14 PM ET
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You can't have fighters fighting endless amount of rounds. That is how people die or get seriously hurt and when that happens the public will shut down the sport. Stop being so short sided. You can't have people dieing in the ring.

July 7, 2008  12:26 PM ET
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Forrest

July 7, 2008  12:31 PM ET
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"Boxing is a **** hug and kiss fest. We dont need that in MMA. We need fights to be finished."

If boxing is so hug and kiss why did all but one of the fights this past UFC go to decision and all of showtimes fights this past weekend ended in KO. Also last weeks HBO PPV card had all KOs except for one fight. Again in boxing you need to know who to watch and who not too just like in MMA. Not everyone fights like Mayweather in the sport.

July 7, 2008  12:34 PM ET
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bucky, do you realize that you are always defending boxing by yourself?

July 7, 2008  12:45 PM ET
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Frank there are boxing fans on this site. I even saw a TD done about BJ Flores who is not a big name at all. Just cause you don't like it and pretty much have shown no knowledge of any combat sport your opinion is pretty much null. In this throwdown alone you have shown great ignorance of both sports.

July 7, 2008  12:49 PM ET
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Frank there are boxing fans on this site. I even saw a TD done about BJ Flores who is not a big name at all. Just cause you don't like it and pretty much have shown no knowledge of any combat sport your opinion is pretty much null. In this throwdown alone you have shown great ignorance of both sports.

buckybadger | 07/07/08, 12:45 PM
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did delahoya wear the lingerie form the photos for mayweather or not? thats all i want to know

July 7, 2008  12:56 PM ET
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did mayweather like oscars ear lobe in a jenna jamison fashion or not?

 
July 7, 2008  12:59 PM ET
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that was me that did the BJ Flores fight, look for more TDs to pimp young and up comers in the sport.

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