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Ellsbury Rocks said 08/09, 04:01 PM
Ok first of all I have to tell you something. Most people on this site seem to think Maddux is better so you are taking the favorite. However I think that Pedro is clearly the more dominant pitcher.

I know that Maddux has more than a 100 more victories than Pedro but thats not because of his dominance. For one thing he has made 344 more starts than Pedro. Put Pedros winning percantage and of those 344 he would have won 448 games or 96 more than Greg. I know as he aged he wouldnt have kept up his normal WL% but he could have won 130 games as did Maddux.

As for ERA Pedro is ridiculous. In a day and age of steroids( he obvisouly didnt use because he wouldnt have got injured or lost his fastball) he had an ERA of 2.89 including a 1.76 in 00 when the leauge average was 5.07. That is just ridiculous.

Maddux is good with a 3.14 ERA and had a 4 year span of a 1.98 ERA but thats not as impressive because the league average was 3.96. Sure he was half of it for those 4 years but Pedro was more than 3 full runs.

Pedro also has averaged nearly 100 more K's a year than Maddux.

On a whole Pedro is the better pitcher.

Good luck

Ellsbury Rocks said 08/10, 02:44 PM
Ok the thing is you are talking about who has had the better career and obvisouly the career numbers say its Maddux. But really the edge in CG, wins, and strikeouts is only because Maddux made 351 more starts. If Pedro had not been injured he definitly would have had the better overall numbers.

Plus theres another way of looking at a career- Thats not just looking at overall number but instead looking at what they did in their career. The fact that Pedro had a average of 16-7, 2.89 ERA, and 246 strikeouts shows he was the better pitcher than Maddux's 16-10. 3.14 ERA, and 155 strikeouts season average.

Gold Gloves are not that great of an accomplishment for a pitcher. Sure its nice that he won 17 of 18 years but he only had a .26 better feilding percantage. Pitchers dont have to do much feilding in a game so gold gloves doesnt make him better.

Overall another thing that works in Pedros advantage is that he pitched 7 years of his career in the tougher AL and still had a lower career ERA. I mena that year that Pedro had 1.76 ERA was 3.30 lower than the leauge average. Gregs 1.63 and 1.56 was only 2.4 lower. Pedros dominace that year is muc more impressive

Ellsbury Rocks said 08/10, 03:33 PM
Defense no matter what you say is still important. If the ball gets past them, it is a base hit usually- Ok how many times a game is it hit at the pitcher like once or twice. Also the SS and 2B might be able to get it as well.

Pedro won more with a great team (slightly better than the Braves). - HAHA the Nationals, and the 98-04 Sox were better than the 93-02 Braves that won the division every year he was there. That makes sense.

Ok Pedro pitched in 458 games to maddux's 736- Ok Pedro pitched in 67 games as a relief pitcher early in his career so its realy 391 starts(the only time you can get a CG) to 732 starts for Greg. I know that Greg still would have more CG but the real important thing is IP per start. Pedro averaged 6.72 while Greg averaged 6.77 per start. They both didnt tax their bullpen.

If Pedro would have pitched in the same amount of games, he would still have less W's - How can you say that when Pedro had a better winning percantage for his career. Based on what he did he would have won 448 games if he made the amount of starts maddux did.

Overall Pedro pitched in a tougher leauge had more K's a season, had a lower ERA, and won more of the starts he made