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  • August 21, 2008 08:14 PM ET

Greg Jennings is better than Marques Colston?.

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Greg Jennings is much better than Mr. Colston.

Jennings does way more with the ball, with just just 53 receptions he had 920 yards and 12 touchdowns! that's a 17.4 average and a touchdown 22% of the time he catches the ball.

Colston had 98 reception, that's about all that was great with his season. He averaged a mediocre 12.3 yards per reception, good for good for 27th in the NFC, Jennings is second only to Joey Galloway. And out of 98 receptions (45 more than Jennings) Colston had less touchdowns, 11, and his TD% is drastically lower, 11%, Jennings is twice as higher.

QB play is not an issue, Brett Favre was great last season, and so was Brees.

Jennings is better than Colston.


Colston is CLEARLY a better player than Jennings is.

Now, these percentages are all good and well. However, percentages don't matter. I don't care what percent of Jenning's catches went for TDs! That stat can make ANYONE look good! For example: Last year, the Cowboys' third TE, Tony Curtis, had 3 TD catches, giving him a TD on 100% of his catches. Does that make him better than All-Pro Jason Witten? Nope!


What does matter is OVERALL stats. And when I look at overall stats, I see far more production from Colston. I see 98 catches to 53. Now, bash on Colston's "low" ypc all you want, but how many drives do 45 catches help sustain? I'm gonna say at least 40 of 'em.

I also see more production in the yardage department, where Colston had 1,202 yards to Jennings' 920. Chalk that up to Colston having more catches, but my original point stands... why didn't Jennings catch more if he were a better player?

Overall, there really is no comparison. In their first two years, Colston has 168 catches for 2,240 yards and 19 TDs. Jennings has 98 catches for 1,552 yards, and 15 TDs. Colston came in round 7, Jennings in round 2. And yet he has 70 catches, 700 more yards, and 4 more TDs?Gimme him


Receptions are nice and all that, but he doesn't do anything after the catch. He does not have the nose for the end zone that Jennings does, and is not any where near Jennings in natural ability.

Maybe one of the reasons he had more receptions is that the Saints threw the ball more than anyone in the league, 652 times, compared to the Packers who threw the ball 535 times.

Receptions are overrated way too much when talking about WR. It's all about what you do with it.

Here is an interesting fact, Jennings averaged just 5 yards less per game than colston, and Jennings had 2 receptions less per game than Colston.

If Jennings was targeted as often as Colston here are what his numbers would be. Here is my math if you would like to check it, REC/TRGTx143, stats off SI.com

REC- 90
yards- 1566
TD's- 20

Let's also not forget that Jennings has 3 other good receivers to compete with for oppurtunities in Driver, Jones, and Lee. Marques gets so many receptions because Brees has limited options, Colston is the only good receiver so of course Colston will have a lot of receptions.

Jennings helped out his QB more as well, he caught 41.4% of Favre's TD passes, Colston caught 38%.


Now, you're flat out WRONG. How can you say Colston does nothing after the catch?!
Last year, Colston had the 14th most yards after the catch in the NFL, and that includes every single player who caught a pass. Greg Jennings was 16th on that list, BEHIND COLSTON, for the record...

Anyway, how can you honestly say receptions are overrated for receivers? I mean, that kinda is their JOB isn't it? You're not a very good receiver if you don't make the catches. Therefore, it is a key stat, not an overrated one!

Also, that coulda woulda shoulda scenario is great. But the fact is, you just can't assume those things. I'm glad you think Jennings COULD HAVE BEEN targeted as much as Colston, but he WASN'T! Whether that has to do with his own talent of his teammates is irrelevant. It didn't happen, so it is a totally useless, made up stat line.
And as for Jennings' teammates, it goes either way. Because of his teammates, Jennings never, ever saw double coverage. Colston faced double coverage constantly.

BTW, the Pack passed 578 times according to NFL.com (remember Rodgers took snaps). And Colston caught 15% of his QBs TOTAL passes, to Jennings only having 9%. I'd call MC alot more helpful!


Compared to Jennings Colston is well below average. Jennings averaged 7.4 YAC compared to Colston's 4.1. Not even close after the catch. And as for total YAC Colston had 403, Jennings had 394. YAC is the most important and telling stat about who is more talented, it shows that Jennings is quicker, faster, more elusive, and can break a few tackles.

You also have to take into consideration that Jennings missed 3 games. His averages spread out through 16 games would look like this.

REC- 65
Yards- 1131
TD- 15
AVG- 17.4

Those are fantastic numbers.

Just because you are targeted more does not make you a better receiver. Colston isn't nearly as good after the catch, not a big play threat, and doesn't have the nose for the end zone that Jennings does.

Good TD.


So now we're judging receivers entirely on YAC? That's BS. It's all in the system you run. Everyone knows the Packers run a system that floods the fields with receivers creating single coverage mis-matches. Then receivers catch short passes (I'd be willing to bet good money more than 50% of Jennings' catches were on slant routes alone) and run with them. That is the system. In the West Coast Offense, you throw short, and let the WRs run.

That's not how the Saints roll. They run an O, as many teams do, where the receivers catch long passes. If Colston gets open and can run, great. But the plan is to get him the ball on hooks and go routes, so his 10-15 are picked up via the air, not the ground.

And again, you are making "what if" generalizations. Colston has battled injuries both years too.


In the end it all comes down to production. And in that area, Colston has more catches, more yards, and more TDs in the same area of opportunity. Therefore, he is better. End of story.

Good TD.

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August 21, 2008  08:15 PM ET
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good luck.

August 21, 2008  08:22 PM ET
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Good luck dude

August 21, 2008  08:27 PM ET
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EagleHater is the Unhealer- No duh Colston got more cathers then Jennings. Jennings was sharing with Lee and Driver

And if Jennings had the same amount of passes thrown at him his numbers would be over Colston's.

Precentages dont mean anything???

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August 21, 2008  08:27 PM ET
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Beatdown.

August 21, 2008  08:27 PM ET
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Leaning right.

August 21, 2008  08:31 PM ET
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This is a good TD...Gotta see the arguments

August 21, 2008  08:41 PM ET
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"EagleHater is the Unhealer- No duh Colston got more cathers then Jennings. Jennings was sharing with Lee and Driver

And if Jennings had the same amount of passes thrown at him his numbers would be over Colston's.

Precentages dont mean anything???

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JoseyRamos | 08/21/08, 08:27 PM "

Yeah and Colston was so good he was head and shoulders above everyone around him. Really, this works both ways. I'd guess that Jennings faced almost zero double coverage last year. Teams had enough trouble going one on one with the Pack, let alone doubling the #2 receiver! Colston, on the other hand, was at LEAST double teamed virtually every play...

And your "if" situation is utterly ridiculous. Of course he would have better stats with more catches. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't get open consistently enough.

August 21, 2008  08:50 PM ET
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Colston was ahead of everyone in his team because the Saints were weak in the WR position.

And if you feel that the "if" situation is ridiculous. Then why post up the comparison of yards when you know that most of the time
More Receptions = More Yards.
And thats why the "if" situation matters. Jennings avg 4 more yards in every reception then Colston.

August 21, 2008  08:53 PM ET
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Leaning heavily right.

No, falling right might be a better word.

August 21, 2008  09:03 PM ET
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JoseyRamos, that comment made absolutely zero sense. I said your "if" situation was ridiculous because anyone can say, "If, if, if" and come up with a dream scenario. How you can compare that to my posting stats that ACTUALLY HAPPENED is beyond me.

August 21, 2008  09:08 PM ET
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I'm going right; and arguments definitely were a factor. But if Jennings was such a good WR, why didn't he get more balls? You can say that they had Driver and Jones and Grant, etc and Colston had no other receivers. But that then means that Jennings was getting much easier coverage. Colston most likely had to go against double-team's or safety help nearly every play. So in the end, him getting less TD's doesn't make him a worse player. Willie Parker had 2 TD's, Chester Taylor had 7 TD's. Is Taylor more than 3x better? No.

August 21, 2008  09:09 PM ET
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My bad EagleHater, I didn't read the comments. I didn't copy your thought process, I swear!!

August 21, 2008  09:12 PM ET
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EagleHater is the Unhealer said 08/21, 08:22 PM
Colston is CLEARLY a better player than Jennings is.

Now, these percentages are all good and well. However, percentages don't matter. I don't care what percent of Jenning's catches went for TDs! That stat can make ANYONE look good! For example: Last year, the Cowboys' third TE, Tony Curtis, had 3 TD catches, giving him a TD on 100% of his catches. Does that make him better than All-Pro Jason Witten? Nope!


. this shows me how ignorant and stupid you are. btw, jennings was getting doubled by safteys. and btw, he burned corners like corey webster, champ baily, fred smoot, chris gamble, cromartie, sheppard, he tourched the dallas defence even though we lost. he scored 2 times against chicagos D, tourched seattles coverage in the PLAYOFFS, and F'ed up minnesota BOTH games.(antonio winfeild and cedric griffin.

so get your facts strait!

who did colston burn?..i will say colston is a beast, i just think jennings is better.(has nothing to do with me being a packers fan, this is actually one of the more challenging arguments, good pick whoever offered....)

August 21, 2008  09:15 PM ET
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". this shows me how ignorant and stupid you are. "

Jeez thanks. Y'know, it really shows me how stupid YOU are considering I never once called Greg Jennings a bad player or said he didn't burn anyone, only that the guy with 45 more catches was a better player.

August 21, 2008  09:16 PM ET
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Don't worry about it 0x NBA/NFL Champion. It's the logical thought process.

August 21, 2008  09:19 PM ET
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Jennings did not burn the Vikings secondary, and not Winfield. Marcus McCaulley (a rookie) and Griffin (a 2nd year player) were on him. In both games combined, he had 7 catches. He sure "f'ed up minnesota"!

And just for the record, he did not burn Corey Webster. The first time he didn't play, the 2nd time he had 1 catch.

August 21, 2008  09:20 PM ET
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ITA 28- Nothing personal, just I feel that some of your points aren't valid.

EagleHater- Haha, ok cool.

August 21, 2008  09:20 PM ET
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EagleHater, how are you losing to this underachiever? Oh wait................it is because................of my vote 6-5

LMAO@U hater.

August 21, 2008  09:23 PM ET
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3gj-8MnFSQ

greg jennings 2005 college highlights

 
August 21, 2008  09:25 PM ET
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i take it back, it was a stupid thing to call you an idiot. i kinda got defensive i admit it. but i jus had to put my point out there i think jennings is better, no doubt they are both in the top 10 in recievers though.

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