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I have a good first pick, but not so much for the others.

I know Chosen 1 doesn't like names to be mentioned before he posts, so I'll hold off.

thanks Outlaw

I have my list of teams that I like just trying to figure out which one to go with first in case David ends up taking one of my picks on his next one

Rumor has it that Chosen1 never votes on anyone else's throwdowns, just his own. That is the epitomy of selfishness for a debate community that is give and take. I am new here, but even I see the need for you to change your parsimonius ways.

Rumor has it that Chosen1 never votes on anyone else's throwdowns, just his own. That is the epitomy of selfishness for a debate community that is give and take. I am new here, but even I see the need for you to change your parsimonius ways.
John Joe | 09/02/08, 03:18 AM
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lol rumor has it you are not really new here at least thats what I have been seeing in the comment section. Also if you listen to rumors and gossip well then you are just setting yourself up to look both stupid and wrong which is the case you just put yourself in.

Tell you what though I bet you your life that I can show you where I have voted in throwdowns other than my own. Now lets see how sure you really are in what you say and if not well do yourself a favor and just shut up now.

Do I vote in every throwdown? No because Im not one of those people that just votes to vote. I dont vote on lists or by who I like or dont like. So if I see a throwdown that isnt finished I wait for arguments to be complete and a lot of the time with things being knocked off the page and the fact that I dont check this site every second of the day I miss some of the closed throwdowns I would vote on. I also dont vote on throwdowns I have no knowledge of so I wont vote in nascar, golf, mma, soccer or any other sport or thing I do not follow at all because to be honest when it comes to those things for all I know anything a person is saying could be made up and I wouldnt know.

Like I said though put up or shut up if you are going to come on here and run your mouth lets make it interesting because I bet I can show you where you are wrong. Anyways man or woman or whatever you are I honestly would question the reliability of the word of anyone who sits around and discusses my voting patterns because a person with that little of a life clearly has the time on their hands to make up anything.

The Saints, they are in a city below sea-level, every hurricane in the gulf has them wandering where they will play at. OKC sounds much better for the Saints than New Orleans.

The Saints, they are in a city below sea-level, every hurricane in the gulf has them wandering where they will play at. OKC sounds much better for the Saints than New Orleans.
outlaw is East Bound and Down | 09/02/08, 07:27 AM
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lol dang you that was the other team I was debating on taking but I went with the Vikings for my first one.

Remember everyone we have to name 3 teams

Excellent picks and arguments both sides.
The only one I can't really see is the Falcons. The NFL already looks foolish for not having a team in it's number 2 market (L.A). I can't see them leaving the biggest city in the 'south' without a team.

I can't see them leaving the biggest city in the 'south' without a team.

Huh?

Did Texas leave again?

the NFL LEFT the 4th biggest market (Houston) and the 2nd Biggest!!

I didn't count Texas as the 'south'...and even without Houston, Texas isn't left without a team.
And because the NFL has effed up and left big markets...that's why I don't think they are bound to do it again.

I meant the 'South' as the colloqueal 'south'- the south-east U.S. states such as the Carolinas, Tennesee, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Northern Florida. Atlanta is the largest metro center in that part of the country by far.

Chosen, you are 100% wrong on your Bills evaluation...

"1)They are already being forced to play games in Canada as it is."

No, they SIGNED a 5-year deal to play a game or two in Toronto every year, which actually pretty much keeps them in Buffalo for at least the next 5 years.

"2) They dont sell out their home games where they are"

They sell out every year. You could not have been more wrong.

"3) They are pretty much the odd team out in New York being that the Giants and Jets are more popular and they dont even play in NY"

They're the ONLY team in New York, and draw from a completely different market, seeing as they are something like 7 hours away from NYC. Of course the Jets and Giants are more popular, they play in the LARGEST MARKET IN AMERICA!

Not to mention the fact that Toronto, for this preseason game, had to give away up to 15,000 tickets just to sell out the game! There were as many Steelers fans there as Bills fans, and there was NO NOISE there. Barely a murmur. I'm not opposed to the choice of the Bills so much as the bad reasoning. Vote left.

Actually you are incorrect in saying I am 100% incorrect


tell you what after I eat dinner I will be back to show you how you are wrong.

The Cowboys, duh. They are moving from Irving to Arlington next year. ;-)

1) They were forced to play in Canada not by the NFL but by financial situations. The Bills are in the bottom fourth of the league as far as revenue goes. There agreeing to play in Canada was made as a weak effort to try and boost revenue because they just are not making that much money. That is why they are playing in Canada hoping it will draw people in from Canada for the games actually played in Buffalo. The Bills have been trying for years to do everything they can to draw interest in their team and increase revenue and it has not worked

2) I might have been wrong on that from what I read though it said they were not selling out every single home game. Not sure where I would be able to go in order to find out whether or not they sold out every game. I do know though that they normally end up with an attendence of under 72 thousand for home games


3) The Giants and the Jets are more popular everywhere in the state of New York other than maybe Buffalo. Overall people do not care about the Bills that is a fact.

The Cowboys, duh. They are moving from Irving to Arlington next year. ;-)
Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox | 09/02/08, 09:28 PM
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oh dang I completely forgot about that

1) You are partly right, they are there to boost sales. But they are in the bottom 4th of the league because they are a small market team. Their expenses are not as great as other teams. And what else have they "tried for years" to draw interest and increase revenue? The first thing they would have done is raise ticket prices, yet they remain among the lowest in the league.

2) I believe the last home game that didn't sell out for the Bills was in the 2006 season...and considering Buffalo is a blue-collar area and it snows like a b.itch during winter there, the fact they almost always sell out is a testament to their loyalty.

3) The Bills are FAR more popular in Western New York. The Giants/Jets are popular on Long Island, New Jersey, and that surrounding area. Once you get around the MA area, however, there are a lot of Pats fans, and that continues as you move north.

Ok as you mentioned they did raise ticket sales. Also to name something else they did they moved their training camp to Rochester and put it St. John Fisher College. They did so to bring in extra interest and money from the Rochester area

Like I said not sure about that but like I said from what I read they hadnt been selling out every game. I also read they were having problems selling luxrury boxes and things of that nature. Loyalty or not they need more money and they wont be getting it in the Buffalo area

Why would Jax move when we're gonna win the Super Bowl this year?