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Yeah the All Star starters are crap. Remember back in like 02 or 03 when Shaq was prime and Yao Ming was starting over him.

Well the starters Roles can be BS as well- but who remebers the starters?

I am referring to the TEAM at large.

Yeah the All Star starters are crap. Remember back in like 02 or 03 when Shaq was prime and Yao Ming was starting over him.
Joe Dew | 09/05/08, 12:27 PM
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yea but at the end of the day Shaq will get just a much credit for being there as Yao

forget starters and non starters, i've said for years that while i enjoy the aspect of all-star voting, and the game etc... the all-star status doesn't mean ANYTHING. especially in a league with uneven conference talents, you can have positions like SG or PF where great players don't even get ON THE TEAM because of their position and conference.

for years, the west had duncan, nowitzki, garnett, brand, webber, and boozer battle for the PF spots... the fact that some don't even make the team doesn't make them any worse. Similiarly in the east for years, there was the annual Tracy Mcgrady, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, etc... log jam at shooting guard voting.

I was going to tackle this one but spent too much time formulating my side. Oh well.

Come vote for the 1st ever FANNATION ALL STAR TEAM

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/244295?new=true

Remember 2 seasons ago when Nash was MVP and the starter guards were Kobe and Tmac, yeah thats jacked up

love to Mark Eaton, nice voting to david

love to Mark Eaton, nice voting to david
Joe Dew | 09/05/08, 03:26 PM
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for some reason I had a feeling you were going left since your first comment

Interesting and highly bold topic.

Actually my opinion is:

- Starters are a popularity contest and strange things can happen there (e.g.: Yao starting over Shaq, like Joe mentioned here in the comments)

- Bench players are the "real deal". Sure, there are some snubs and tough picks here and there, but we're talking about mostly accurate all-star bench picks.

Completey agree with David on this one

Oh and dude if you are comparing Yao and Camby like I think you are well Yao is the better all around center of the two.

This was real close for me and both have great arguments. I agree left but prefer rights arguments. >>>>>>>>>>>

All star games SUCK!

I like how you work your angle though and focus on just one aspect of a game and try to say a guy is better than another player. Im going to try that real quick using a 10 season span and who tell me who was the better of the two


PLAYER A
92-93= 13.0 rpg 3.5 bpg
93-94= 11.8 rpg 4.1 bpg
94-95= 12.5 rpg 3.9 bpg
95-96= 11.8 rpg 4.5 bpg
96-97= 11.6 rpg 3.3 bpg
97-98= 11.4 rpg 3.4 bpg
98-99= 12.2 rpg 2.9 bpg
99-00= 14.1 rpg 3.3 bpg
00-01= 13.5 rpg 2.7 bpg
01-02= 10.8 rpg 2.4 bpg

PLAYER B
92-93= 13.9 rpg 3.5 bpg
93-94= 13.2 rpg 2.9 bpg
94-95= 11.4 rpg 2.4 bpg
95-96= 11.0 rpg 2.9 bpg
96-97= 12.5 rpg 2.9 bpg
97-98= 11.4 rpg 2.4 bpg
98-99= 10.7 rpg 1.7 bpg
99-00= 13.6 rpg 3.0 bpg
00-01= 12.7 rpg 2.8 bpg
01-02= 10.7 rpg 3.0 bpg


SO LETS SEE FOR THAT 10 SEASON SPAN PLAYER A

out rebounded player B 6 seasons
out blocked player B 7 seasons
tied player B in rebounds in 1 season
tied player B in blocks in 1 season
oh and player A was 4x Defensive player of the year

SO LETS SEE FOR THAT 10 SEASONS PLAYER B

out rebounded player A 3 seasons
out blocked player A 2 seasons
tied player A in rebounds in 1 season
tied player A in rebounds in 1 season
0x defensive player of the year

player A 3x All Defensive 1st team 3x All Defensive 2nd team
player B only made 2 all defensive teams in that span both being 2nd team


So player was clearly the better rebounder and shot blocker right? Player A clearly the better defender right?

So lets see

player A= Mutombo
player B= Shaq

so Mutombo was the better centre of the 2 for Shaq's first 10 seasons in the league right? According to how you look at things

Fan voting is too much of a popularity contest and players in very large cities hold a distinct advantage over those in smaller cities. Too many past their prime players make all star games. Going left on this one.

Fan voting is too much of a popularity contest and players in very large cities hold a distinct advantage over those in smaller cities. Too many past their prime players make all star games. Going left on this one.
LetsGoPens | 09/06/08, 03:04 PM
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fan voting is only part of it the coaches determine the rest of the players