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  • May 08, 2007 09:47 AM ET

Tell me why Brett Favre isn't any good.

LoS-I Am Torgo (13-9-1) vs CLEVELAND DIEHARD (16-20-4)
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I will let you make the first argument.


i explained my side of this throwdown below but i will still try to make a good point vote for me or not i am trying to win a throwdown that does not make any sense. Yes i think Betty Farve is not the greatest Qb ever. Yes I think Betty Farve was good at one point in time. The key word being was. No i don't think Betty Farve is good now. When you have more INT's then TD's that is not being a good qb, when you are holding a franchise back because you don't know when to hang it up.


In your last argument, you said and I quote: ???First off Betty Farve is a horrible team player and has a huge ego that will not let him retire he is worst then Marino the way he yells and belittles his teammates. The guy is a joke the only reason he will get those record IF he does is because he doesn't know when it is time to hang it up because he is washed up. Betty is ruining the packer and will until he realizes he just does not have it anymore..??? My biggest beef with you is on this statement: ???Also the biggest reason Farve did not show up in the ONLY superbowl the packers won. He did not win that game for the packers Desmond Howard won it with the return yards on the biggest day for the packers Farve was no where to be found. All you got is the stats and those are inflated because like i said they were playing from behind because of all the INTS he threw.??? It was not my throwdown, but in the comments I made points, and brought out stats to prove that Favre played great in that game; you accused of making up those stats and not knowing what I???m talking about. Why aren???t you defending that side now? Is it because you know that you sound ridiculous?


You made up stats and you even said that you gave those stats by memory which are not even close to what farve had in that superbowl. Lets face it Farve is an egomanic and he is holding the packers down by playing games with the franchise. Like i said before I think Farve was good for a certain period of time but he has dropped off and at no point in time was he the best Qb ever to play the game that is my beef not that he was even good. He did not win that superbowl for the packers.


How the heck can you accuse me of making up those stats! Google it! Oh wait, you're scared to because you know you'll look like an even bigger fool. I have the game on tape and watch it often, so I think I know what I'm talking about, even if the stats are from memory. I googled it even though I knew I was right and I was! I even forgot that he had a rushing touchdown in that game. On the Andre Rison touchdown, he audibled into the route that caused him to be wide open down the middle of the field. How did he not win the Superbowl for the Packers? I understand the whole team played great, and the credit should certainly be spread, he was responsible for 3 of their 4 touchdowns. Currently, without Favre at the helm the Packers would be a much worse football team. He gives them a much better chance to win than Aaron Rodgers. I never said he was the greatest quarterback of all time, but he is definitly in my top 5.


Plan and simple Farve needs to hang it up or at least start helpin gout Rodgers for the future. Farve just does not have IT anymore. Yes he might be the best qb on the packers right now but he is not doing the packers any good. I agree that they would probably do better with farve in at qb. But when he has no intention of teaching Rodgers all the things he could to make Rodgers and the Packers better then he is simply just letting his ego get in the way. Yes farve is at least a top 10 Qb of all time.

May 8, 2007  11:27 AM ET

Wow, can't believe this idiot actually accepted the throw down. How are you gonna say Brett Favre isn't any good diehard?

May 8, 2007  11:37 AM ET

Waiting for your answer diehard

May 8, 2007  12:31 PM ET

Actually I challenged him because he was talking crap about Favre on another throwdown.

May 8, 2007  06:07 PM ET

is he ever going to argue back...i mean i'm starting to feel bad for him...maybe he realized he shouldn't have accepted this throwdown...

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May 8, 2007  10:08 PM ET

P*ssy...talk **** then can't back it up. Ya just want to punch 'em in the face...anyway, I say League of Shadows wins...this guy in no way can create an argument strong enough to derail Brett Favre.

May 9, 2007  12:15 AM ET

Well First off i never accpeted the throwdown, because the other throwdown that me and shadow were talking about was that Bret Farve is the BEST EVER QB which he is not that was my agrument not taht he was never good. So shadow decided to challenge me to a throwdown that does not make sense for me to argue. Of course Bret Farve is good but not the best ever.

May 9, 2007  12:18 AM ET

Also sorry i have a life outside of fan nation and can not be on here 24/7 like some of you losers. I have a job and work all day unlike some of you guys. So that is why i never put up a post on the throwdown

May 9, 2007  12:30 AM ET

next time shadows make more sense and word the throwdown better
and don't get all your little friends to start writing stuff and voting before i even get to make a post. You are a cheater and just like Farve trying to pad your stats

May 9, 2007  12:14 PM ET

Really? I can't even say anything...when was the last time the Browns even had a winning record? Or anything of worth?



Also, don't make up excuses, no one could be on here all day, that would be impossible. I work, have school, and I'm a weightlifter, so I try to get on when I have some time, which has recently been often, but really before these past few weeks I haven't...notice I signed up back in February and became active only over the past two weeks.

So, cry to somebody else, ya b*stard.

May 9, 2007  01:55 PM ET

Big Ben you are already had your mind made up from the start before i even made a post about the subject and you started bashing me for not posting in a time that was to your liking. Maybe if you didn't think it was true you would not have felt like you had to defend yourself about not having a life! Oh yeah good luck being a weightlifter!
Sitting on your **** shoveling food in your fat face is not considered weightlifting. Anyways seems like you got a little roid rage better lay off the juice.

May 9, 2007  03:09 PM ET

I hate to play Rodney King here but can't we just all get along? Both sides have points. No need to personally insult each other. In my opinion Favre is definitely a beast for all the games he has played in a row. He at one time was a great QB but, like all older QBs, has experienced a decline. Part of this is skill deficiency, part of it has to do with players like Bubba Franks dropping so many passes. It is hard to say if the Packers are better without him because, to be honest, we have never really seen the alternative. But he is certainly in the top 10 of all time.

May 9, 2007  03:55 PM ET

yeah there's no need to throw insults around...let your debating stand for you...anyway this is a hard throwdown topic to fight against. Maybe Bret is washed up, maybe he isn't, but he definitely was a great qb in his prime is still a valuable part of the packers offense...i mean without him what would the pack do?

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May 9, 2007  04:57 PM ET

That is what i am saying it is hard for me to say farve was not good but he is not the greatest qb ever that was the other throwdown and that is where i mad my arugment not that he was not good at all or that he was never good. And yes i accepted the throwdown because i like talking about sports and i got mad because people already voted before any posts where even made on the topic and people are saying things that i am a**** and that i was not going to write on the topic. I just didn't come on the computer til last night and saw the throwdown so. I will make my case and vote for the best arguement not if you are friends of the other person or if you just don't like me that is wrong

May 9, 2007  05:04 PM ET

The throwdown may be over, but I still want you to explain your comments about Super Bowl 31.

May 9, 2007  05:09 PM ET

I am sorry I said some insults in this throwdown and the last, but this has gotten me really mad. And you did insult me too. I kind of understand what you are saying, and I do agree that he is not the best quarterback ever. Still, you made a lot of strong accusations and statements earlier, which you havn't exactly backed up. Especially the Super Bowl.

May 9, 2007  05:48 PM ET

Favre is no Dan Marino, he is better. I think you have Favre confuse with Marino, Diehard. Marino was always yelling at his guys and interceptions were never his fault obviously the receiver ran the wrong route. He hated any running game because then he couldnt pad his stats. Favre is totally opposite and I should know I have been a season ticket holder since before Favre came along. I like many was mad when they got him because he was a relative unknown that liked to party, but boy did he prove everyone wrong. You can see every Sunday he gives a 110% and is the consumate professional and teammate. Hes usually on the sidelines joking with the guys and go over plays with his receivers. I hate to say it Diehard but you are wrong on this one. With Brett it has always been team first.

May 9, 2007  05:50 PM ET

Oh yeah he even did the Lambeau Leap last year! Good luck with Brady. I know Joe Thomas can play we'll see if Bradys as good as they say.

May 9, 2007  07:11 PM ET

I also aplogize for some of my comments, And the thing about the superbowl is i just think that if farve played that great in the superbowl he would have won the MVP of that game because well he is brett farve and it would have been his first superbowl win. Not Desmond Howard and i understand that you said that Farves Td's came when they were already up but still stats are stats no matter what point in time they came at in the game. I guess my real beef is that in the biggest game in farves career the people who vote for the mvp did not give him that honor. Just like Brady should be 3 for 3 i mean he threw the ball to Branch. I would put Brady ahead of Farve as all time best. Great throwdown and i look forward to more against you shadow
Also i liked your throwdown about Lebron being better then melo and wade.

May 9, 2007  07:14 PM ET

Thanks, no hard feelings. I get mad when people bash Favre. He is my favorite player after all.
As for the Super Bowl, Desmond Howard's touchdown was the last score of the game, it clinched the game. Favre had all of his touchowns in the first half.

 
May 9, 2007  07:23 PM ET

Excuse me, it's the football offseason, so I'm a weightlifter and not a football player...also, you never answered my question: when was the last time Cleveland was anygood or even worth anything?

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