NCAAF should have a playoff. Hands down, no question.
StLDieHard said 12/13, 08:51 PM
Three extra games. That's all it would take for college football to solve its biggest dilemma.
The failure of college football to establish a playoff system to determine its national champion is, quite frankly, bordering on the ridiculous. Every other NCAA sport uses some type of tournament or playoff to determine the best team that season.
Unfortunately, we're stuck with the current Bowl Championship Series for the time being. But that doesn't mean we can't dream about what a real playoff would entail and the magic it would produce each December and January.
If you think you like Saturdays now, understand that this is just college football lite; one day to be looked back on as a idiotic era.
It's disappointing college football continues to drag itself on such an important issue. Especially when good ideas for workable alternatives are out there.
Gruden crushes poker tables said 12/13, 09:28 PM
Actually, it isn't a Hands Down, No Question argument. There are many reasons why they don't do it.
1. Money. Plain and simple. The bowl games generate thousands of dollars for the teams involved. Teams that go 6-6 get a chance to go to a bowl game and generate dollars for their teams.
2. Academics. Noticed that a majority of the month of December is football free? That's because this is FINALS time in college. The MAJORITY of college football players are trying to graduate. Filling the weeks of December with playoff football will hurt the students academics.
3. You still have to decide which 8 teams make your playoff system. Is Hawaii in or out? There will still be controversy, so nothing will be solved in the end.
4. Length of season, in your scenario, some teams will have to play 16 games before its over. These are college kids, and that kind of wear and tear on amatuers will surely result in injuries that will cost the kids MILLIONS from their pro careers.
StLDieHard said 12/13, 10:01 PM
About #1:
8 teams make the playoff. All the other teams can participate in bowls. Just like many playoff ideas propose. We dont have to completely eliminate the bowl games. EX- The Peach Bowl can still have North Carolina State vs. Maryland if it wants. And, again, all the playoff does is add three games.
About #2:
I am playing Basketball right now and finals are going on. When you commit to the team, you say that you can do both. They enforce a C average. I have always heard the saying "student-athelete". They need to do both, if they cant handle the pressure... get out.
About #3:
I have my own ideas about the system and how it is set up. BUT, honestly, we are talking whether they should have a playoff or not. Not how it works.
About #4:
You take the risk of getting hurt EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU ARE ON THE FIELD. Again, you need to handle the pressure. Actually though... it would end up being 15 at the VERY most. But only 2 teams in 1 year would reach 15.
Great points by the way. I tought of each of them and I think that a playoff would eliminate more problems than it would make.
StLDieHard said 12/13, 10:01 PM
About #1:
8 teams make the playoff. All the other teams can participate in bowls. Just like many playoff ideas propose. We dont have to completely eliminate the bowl games. EX- The Peach Bowl can still have North Carolina State vs. Maryland if it wants. And, again, all the playoff does is add three games.
About #2:
I am playing Basketball right now and finals are going on. When you commit to the team, you say that you can do both. They enforce a C average. I have always heard the saying "student-athelete". They need to do both, if they cant handle the pressure... get out.
About #3:
I have my own ideas about the system and how it is set up. BUT, honestly, we are talking whether they should have a playoff or not. Not how it works.
About #4:
You take the risk of getting hurt EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU ARE ON THE FIELD. Again, you need to handle the pressure. Actually though... it would end up being 15 at the VERY most. But only 2 teams in 1 year would reach 15.
Great points by the way. I tought of each of them and I think that a playoff would eliminate more problems than it would make.
Gruden crushes poker tables said 12/13, 10:10 PM
1. But which 8 teams? How do you decide? There still has to be some sort of polls/charts/etc, just as there are now. And as I say below, there will be MORE controversy over who is #7 or 8 than there is now over who is #1 and 2. You look at the current rankings right now and tell me with 100% certainty which teams deserve the bottom 4 spots in your 8 game playoff. Heck, people can't agree on whether Missouri deserves a BCS game or not.
2. You can't compare 11 or 12 basketball players to a 75 man football roster.
3. No, you said EIGHT TEAM PLAYOFF. So you opened that door. And by the fact that you can't agree on the format, you also agree that it isn't a Hands Down No Question argument. There are plenty of arguments for every decision.
4. I know you take the risk of injury every time. That's what I said. But the more games, the more wear and tear, and the more injuries. And if you know it will be 15 games, then your argument in #3 is moot. You are agreeing that it will be 8 teams. And since only the best two would play 15, wouldn't those best two probably have the most pro prospects risking millions of dollars in income?
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Is it ok if I agree but I suggest another playoff system like were you said 3 extra games I say 1vs 8 2 vs 7 so on ..... because it's a easy win otherwise for you. So is it cool if I base my argument like that ??
KentuckyFan#1 | 12/13/07, 08:54 PM
Report Offensive CommentDude. The arguement is "NCAAF should have a playoff. Hands down, no question."
Follow that format. OR decline it.
StLDieHard | 12/13/07, 09:02 PM
Report Offensive CommentYes I know this but the thing is why go for a easy win ?? I mean I dont belive I have ever seen anyone win we all hate the BCS bro. I will decline but I will ask one last time can I offer a different playoff format to make this fun ?
KentuckyFan#1 | 12/13/07, 09:12 PM
Report Offensive Commentdecline it and then i will take it off
i understand where you are coming from
no one would take this
StLDieHard | 12/13/07, 09:18 PM
Report Offensive CommentOk I did not want to ruin your TD lol I just was trying to help you out
KentuckyFan#1 | 12/13/07, 09:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentGruden said what I've been saying for awhile.
Even if you have a playoff, it's not going to stop controversy. Who gets into the playoffs and who doesn't?
Wallace is Major Tom | 12/13/07, 09:42 PM
Report Offensive Commentway more complicated than people think...and from the usc illinois bowl bid...it doesnt seem like tradition wants to move to a playoff system anytime soon
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 12/13/07, 09:45 PM
Report Offensive Comment"There will still be controversy, so nothing will be solved in the end."
Do you really believe that? Or is it just for the sake of argument. There will be LESS controversey with a playoff. That would make it an improvement.
The Ram | 12/13/07, 10:00 PM
Report Offensive CommentNot a chance. The controversy right now might be who is #1 and #2, but I GUARANTEE that there will be MORE controversy deciding who is #7 and #8. Undefeated and 1 loss teams are easy. Deciding between 4 or 5 two or three loss teams will be a nightmare. And again, is Hawaii in or out this year in the top 8?
Gruden crushes poker tables | 12/13/07, 10:02 PM
Report Offensive Commentno lie, ramdrumaster
StLDieHard | 12/13/07, 10:02 PM
Report Offensive CommentHawaii would be in in my playoff. Only team in the nation who hasnt lost.
StLDieHard | 12/13/07, 10:03 PM
Report Offensive CommentMoney, I think the tourney would bring in more. Most people don't pay attention to 16 bowl games. A lot would watch if it was a playoff.
Academics: Thats a joke right? Other divisions do it and they aren't all thinking they are going to make the pros. These players don't take the exams with the other students anyways.
If a playoff scenario does get in place it will be 16 teams. The presidents will not agree to something that lets less teams in than the current BCS bowl system. Currently 10 get in, look for a playoff to be 12 or 16.
Don't think the length of the season will hurt these young athletes. I used to box after football, played D-III. I had friends that did Hockey and Football seasons back to back.
The playoff won't stop all controversy but it will do a hell of a lot better than the current system, you have to admit that. The controversy is not with the true Champion with a playoff its about some schools feeling they didn't get represented. We know a 16 game playoff would give us the real champion.
buckybadger | 12/13/07, 10:09 PM
Report Offensive CommentBut Hawaii isn't in the top 8 in the standing. So how did you determine they'll be in? See, controversy already. They are #10.
Gruden crushes poker tables | 12/13/07, 10:14 PM
Report Offensive CommentBucky, you are so wrong.
Money: No, the 8 teams in the playoff might be in the money, but there are 50 teams in bowl games this year. What about those other 44 teams? I don't care if "most people" pay attention, the schools and their boosters travel to the games and get paid.
Academics: No joke at all. And yes, football players take exams with other students. You obviously didn't get the experience of playing college football.
Wow, now you want 16 teams. You've lost your mind.
If you don't think length of season hurts, you are clueless.
Only in your last statement do yo make sense. It won't stop controversy. Case closed. Thanks for playing.
Gruden crushes poker tables | 12/13/07, 10:17 PM
Report Offensive Commentreading the td i thought ne one to accept this was dumb unless they use the unbeatable TD card but great points soo my vote 2 gruden
AtownRaider11 | 12/13/07, 10:19 PM
Report Offensive CommentI think the only bickering would be between teams on the cusp. Nationally there would be less. I disagree that picking the teams for the Title game has been "easy." But then again, people are allowed to disagree.
The Ram | 12/13/07, 10:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentA 16 team playoff! That's ridiculous. It'll be like the NBA playoffs with far too many teams that get in who have no business getting a title shot.
TradeAngelos | 12/13/07, 10:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentRead SI they have a 8 team playoff that includes the Rose Sugar and rose and orange plus other bowl games for teams that dont qualify for the tourney it is only 3 games more max but would prbly eliminate the Conference title game which i think would be good ne way.
AtownRaider11 | 12/13/07, 10:22 PM
Report Offensive CommentYou want the format? Here it is.
The eight teams would be the winners from the major conferences ??? Pacific-10, Big Ten, SEC, ACC, WAC, Big 12 and Big East. The eighth team would be an at-large team. The teams would be seeded and be placed in an eight-team bracket.
The current 25-plus bowl games remain in place. Out of those teams the best eight play a tournament, using those bowls. The No. 1 seed would play the No. 8 seed (2v7, 3v6, 4v5). The four winners meet in the semifinals and then the semifinal winners meet in the national championship game.
Call me out on it all you want. I had the format already determined but that wasnt part of the topic.
StLDieHard | 12/13/07, 10:25 PM
Report Offensive CommentI guess it wouldnt be 25+ bowl games but there still would be bowl games. You get the picture.
StLDieHard | 12/13/07, 10:27 PM
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