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No, some of the people could have used a substance for medical reasons. I am not saying anyone did, but unless evidence is shown that every person in he Mitchell report used steroids to cheat, then you cannot flat out ban everybody

Good Lord. Did you read the report? Or listen to anything Mitchell said? Vote to Gruden. It doesn't even matter what the arguments are.

Probably doesn't matter. Biggied tends to not finish TDs.

Took him to school gruden, nice job

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As for the medical reasons that is why you can petition MLB for a waiver. If you can prove to MLB and with your doctor can show how it would bennifit you then MLB signs a waiver for you to use them to heal yourself.

grude is 100% correct, there is like zero proof...

records should be with held form the books...cooperstown's choice on letting um in or not...if it was me theres too much specualtion for ALL the players to be left out...then it comes down to who do you let in and who not to.

Well, none of them have to go to court to be banned. Several in the report have admitted that they took the banned substances (a.k.a...admitting guilt). However, I think that it is way too general to state that EVERYONE should be banned. I think it should be taken on a case by case basis. Gruden gets this one.

Thanks Chuck, but if pressed, my argument would be that NONE OF THEM should be banned. The penalty for steroid usage is not "banned from the game". It is a suspension. Period.

Not banned from the game... banned from the HOF (always possible to reinstate the opportunity)...but the argument being that the records and numbers they have achieved would NOT be achieved if it weren't for the use of these substances. Therefore the records or great #'s should be considered invalid or at the very least "tainted" (asterisked). In my opinion, such a label ( and a warranted label at that) would negate the possibility of a HOF bid. But, again, I don't think that ALL players should be banned. A case by case should be the approach.

I'd hardly call a 406 page report "zero proof."

Federal investigators were very thorough and methodical in their compiling of the report and the information contained in it is pretty damning. Cancelled checks are not the only documentation recovered: they have bank records, shipping documents, and other information.

Look at one of those named who recently came forward and confirmed a allegation placed upon him: Andy Pettite. I think he's brave for admitting it, but it shouldn't have had to come to all this for that act of shame to happen.

If you aren't banned from the game, you can't be banned from the Hall of Fame. Tainted, I'll give you. But records all the same.

I guess Skybill didn't actually read the report. Bank records and cancelled checks are pretty much the same thing. Shipping documents prove receipt by SOMEONE. None prove usage. The only things that PROVE usage is either a positive test, or an admission 5 years later by a player. Otherwise its just speculation.

Not records all the same. Not banned from the game either. Basically, they can still play but their #'s achieved, don't count towards the HOF. By no means are they records "all the same". Not even close. They cheated...plain and simple to get a competitive edge. Hard work wasn't enough. No different than the Black Sox in principle.

The players we are thinking about in this report have been playing long enough to have a Hall of Fame discussion. Bonds and Clemens were guaranteed locks into the Hall of Fame long before 2002.

Again, another reason for a case by case basis...... Maybe they are locks before anyone brought up the use of HGH and Roids in '02. The only way to know for sure is if they both came clean and there's no way to know that for certain

I"m on the other side of the fence. I don't care. Baseball allowed them to get away with all the steroid use. Fans knew it, but didn't care at the time. I mean honestly, who didn't know Bonds was using steroids? In the end, what's done is done. Press on.

Here's something to consider: How many of you care that steroid use runs throughout professional football? The use of steroids in football is FAR MORE prevalent than in baseball. But nobody cares. We want our linemen big. No matter what they do to get there.

I do care. My son is quite an athlete and I don't want him anywhere near that crap. Hard work, perseverance, dedication and loyalty....be honest with yourself. I think everyone knew that Bonds was juicing....as they did with Sammy, McGwire and others. There is nothing good about steriods...nothing. I have no respect for those that used it for the advantage they sought and the artificial records they created.

That goes for ALL sports, not just baseball.