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Oh geesh. I can see this thread blowing up. First off, I'm a Jr fan, but on any given week, I'll root for about anybody (everyone knows Jr has a hard time putting a race together, no?).

I, for one, feel like having Toyota in nascar is a good thing. More competition means Chevy, Ford, and Dodge will have to keep stepping things up another notch or two - and hopefully not drive any of them out of the sport. Still, the Toyota engine is a newer engine than what everybody else is running, from what I understand, so I feel like NASCAR really found themselves in a bind with the extra horsepower the Toyota motors were creating. It's great to see a team finding some more speed, but is that because NASCAR gave Toyota too long a leash? Who knows. Hopefully NASCAR can figure out how to handle it well, and maybe clue the rest of the general public in on it it - they've been a bit too secretive recently, imho.

Anyway, somebody cheated here, obviously, or attempted to and cheaters get fined when they get caught, end of story. I hope that had it been any other team in the garage - yes even HMS - NASCAR would have dealt out the same penalties, maybe even something harsher if it had been, say the #48 or #29 with a recent history of blurring the lines.

JGR has always been a pretty stand-up place, so I find it hard to believe this was done with the approval of the owners or the drivers. Just my two cents, though.

Always watch out for a guy that thinks he is
Holier than the rest of us Gibbs has shown
his true colors. He's a cheat,then blames
somebody else in his crew.
Have a good day.

C-17 on a carrier. Classic.

Damn David Poole guess you really had to get that off your chest, and what a big one it is!!

That is why people are called 'Fans"....short for Fanatic. No matter what is said about "their" driver, they will defend them to the end because in their eyes they can do no wrong. IMO 80% of the fans have blinders on when it comes to their drivers. I don't consider myself one of them. For instance, if Harvick was to get caught cheating...I wouldn't be surprised in the least. He has been having a marginal season and if he needs to get a boost somehow, go for it. But I know he wouldn't make excuses should he get caught. That just seems to be his fabric. In turn, I wouldn't voice that I think he was ok in doing it....you cheat you pay the price. No Excuses. But if he gets away with it, more power to him...sometimes you have to look for performance "elsewhere" to get the edge you need to win.

Ol' Smokey used to say -- "It ain't cheatin' unless you get caught" ... I think the TURDs bite the bone but agree they just got caught and they are probably not the only teams "stretchin' the rules". Through the years I have watched and admired Coach Gibbs and I seriously believe he had no prior knowledge of this BS.

Joe Gibbs Racing cheated, period.

JGR just plainly got caught this time around. I am humored how quickly Joe and JD threw various of their employees "under the bus." Of course they are expendable, but the pioty of it all almost made me throw up. We can never forget this is JGR and they are above cheating, etc, etc, etc...yeah right!

LOL Even a man who talks so much about being a Christian cheats in NASCAR.. Now this must prove that all the other owners cheat every chance they get..LOL

There aren't many preacher that I trust as sorry as that statement is. I liken it now days to the fox being in the hen house. Seems all they want is your money.

It's a NASCAR thread, it's not going to blow up, haha.

But yeah, I mean...you cheat, you pay the piper. Why is this even a story?

If you haven't cheated, then complain. if you have cheated, zip it.
I don't hear any other teams, drivers, crew chiefs or owners complaining.

Joe, that is true. But also it really doesn't come down to the driver. It is the crews that are being shifty. Kyle Busch might be percieved as less than trustworthy but in all reality is it him that is maintaining the ride? If he was to get popped he would get the hit in the way of points when he most lkely knew nothing of what his Crew Chief was doing.

Let me throw this one at you all, I think you will remember it:

"I'm going to give you an engine low to the ground.
An extra-big oil pan that'll cut the wind underneath you.
That'll give you - more horsepower.
I'll give you a fuel line that'll hold an extra gallon of gas.
I'll shave half an inch off you and shape you like a bullet.
When I get you primed, painted and weighed...
...you're going to be ready to go out on that racetrack.
You're going to be perfect." - Harry Hogge

Probably one of the most inspirational points in any sports movie, especially for a NASCAR fan. What was he doing....he was telling basically how he was going to cheat to get the win. We love cheaters because that shows they care and are willing to push the envelope to get the win.

Damn David Poole guess you really had to get that off your chest, and what a big one it is!!

BUCKGUY | 08/21/08, 08:07 AM
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You have this article summarized. I could tell by the long drawn out point. I like Poole occassionally, but sometimes I have to change Sirius because of the 15 second pauses between thoughts/sentences. I already read this this morning - its so yesterday.

Jackman you know those 15 second pauses are to restart his heart.

He should be a spokesman for Dennys.

Maybe Shoneys breakfast bar "If we can fill him up imagine what we can do for you!!!!"

R.I.P.
Mr. Upshaw

Here is an excuse, we're faster than everybody and we want to remain that way, winning is good and the money is better so we tried to slip one past Nascar.
They deserved what they got.